true Todd, but they/we have never dealt with something like this that im aware of... yeah, nutcases killing cops, Clemmons, Monfort both were cop killers... but none of them had police training as Dorner has... Dorner also likely has a sh!t ton of weapons, as he stated as well... he knows exactly what the LAPD is going to do, what they are going to use to accomplish to get him, the processes ect... plus, they dont even know where hes at... why send a bunch of your officers into somewhere you dont know, with a guy that could take them out at several hundreds even thousands of yards with that .50, when they could just fly in and hit him if hes in say a cave holed up or something?

this is like a really crazy chess match... whos gonna get stuck in check mate?