Hatcheries seem to be kind of a placebo deal. There used to be a ton of fish going to the upper sections of rivers-the Sauk Cascade etc.You cant messure the health of a river on it's hatchery returns and we shouldnt even have to. These rivers should be getting enough fish back to support some fishing of some kind--even some kill fisheries, fact is they are not, not even close.--Put a hatchery on them and then you could catch and kill hell you could net them and in the mean time extinguish the wild fish forever. Well without them in the ratio there would be less total numbers so guess all we would have to do is open another hatchery right? All I want is for the wild fish to have a shot man, I know hatcheries could be run so as to not affect wild fish as much. Yes i have run to the river at reiter at 6:00 in the morning and stood shoulder to shoulder at the Samish ditch and killed fish. Anymore to me this has very little to do with fishing (try taking a kid to these places and have him appreciate nature)Wanna kill fish? be my guest and go there have fun. Just remember before the hatcheries mother nature did a hell of alot better job of maintaining it's runs then we ever will>C