Hey guys, thanks alot for all the info. I ended up going to sportco (gods store for fisherman) and got the G1000 series kenai guide model 1313-T. First though I bought the 8 foot 9" pro series and when i got it home i was showing it off when i barely touched the tip to show off the mag tip when it BROKE!!!!! must have had a flaw. So i took it back (another 100 miles) and they let me return it, no problem. Well by that time i kind of had a sour taste in my mouth so the salesman (great guy) started breaking out every lamiglas known to man and i settled on the kenai model. It has the mag tip but still has a good ass on it for that big one. once again i appreciate your help.