Thanks guys for the help. I found some grey stuff here, and have some hot leads on white. Sems to be two types. A soft one, and a more closed cell rigid foam. Any preference. May have to hook up with my Mafia connections. Have you ever tried putting flourescent dots of nail polish, or permanent marker on them? Seemed like a guy could do some whacky stuff with prism tape or glitter also. I might just be making this way to difficult. Thats what low frozen rivers and -10 degree weather will do to you. Time for me to whine while you guys prep for the coming of the Piggies.