You know, I'm to the point anymore I hate it when the mud slinging starts on here. But what I hate more is people who SPEAK and don't think before they do it. First, the redskin remark shouldn't have been said, but to bash back Sloth is as lower, if not lower then Snowchuck's. Second Sloth, think before you speak. 100 fish day huh? Let's calculate that one. By net, oh yes possible. Rod and line, highly doubtful. I've fished some of the big rivers during the last of the hay days of the 70's/early 80's and a 30 fish day was a LONG hard workout day. If you catch one fish EVERY cast and play it 5 minutes (which to fight and land a fish in 5 minutes is pretty damned good only if you're using snag gear) you'd land appx. 100 fish in around 9 HOURS. I'm sorry, but that's pushing it, and I've read enough articles and fished with enough good fisherman to know that a 20/30 fish day is pretty stiff and time consuming. Thirdly, guides are guides. Not all indian guides are good and produce hookups. I know enough customers through my job that have told me countless tales about guides who'll anchor up in the holes on the Quinault. I keep hearing about a good guide named Joe I do believe, he's knowledgeable, but for the most part alot of them are crappy. Just like the white guides, for every good guide you have you'll get another 50 crappy ones. So your reply holds no merit there. Then, purposely slaughtering elks like that holds no merit either. It shows no dignity. If you want to defend yourself against his remark, class is only way, not mudslinging back. But what's the worse is you're bringing up the treaties and the "we'll give up our rights if you give up our land". That's a load of crap and everyone knows it. Hey, read history. Divide and conquer has been happening since dawn of time. I'm just surprised that treaties were signed at all. Most conquering nations eliminate, not deal. Alot of the land around here was "stolen" by the French I do believe. We purchased the Louisiana Territory from someone else, then the US did the surveying on it, then clearing of it. The US was not the ONLY country to "steal". Yet, we're the ones most blamed (since we're the ones still living here). The English, the French, the Spaniards, Russians, and alot of Misc countries had shares of landtracks in the US. I'm sorry, but you know, I lived off the Puyallup Indian reservation. I grew up with numerous Indians and have a little Indian in me. But, for pete's sake, just GROW UP. High spirit my butt. There are SOOOOOO few Indians who actually practice the old ways. It's all a facade to get what is wanted and needed from the government. It's funny, I could build wooden canoes and boats, but not ONE Indian I knew on the Puyallup Indian reservation could still build one, or even build a traditional net (not saying that there weren't any, but none I knew, and that was alot) I'm tired of the BS. The Quinaults do have an awesome fishery, I'll admit that. I feel if our hatcheries were run by PRIVATE companies, they'd run more efficient. I've said that for years. Ok, I'm rambling now, but, everyone just needs to chill out. But, Sloth, your replies only add to the fire. If you gave some decent reponses that made sense you'd give yourself credibility. Instead you give more to the "dumb Indian" mentality that alot of people have. Oh well, some things will never change.....

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