Give me a call and I'll help you out. The way we do things in the Midwest is a little different than the 'West Coast Guys". It's a whole different set up for our smaller rivers, They have rivers out thre that Washington wouldn't have crossed if he was drunk, and had three weeks vacation. We have smaller water, and a little bit different fish. I could type forever, but I wouldn't cover it all. E-mail me at least, and I'll get you dialed on the Chuck N Duck.