You guys are absolutly correct! We do tend to run light test around here, but I was amazed to hook into a few brutes and found my self up in the 2x-3x range. What are your guys favorite manufactures for tippets and leaders, and ot do you tie your own? do you gentleman use a float indicator? I have tried this method and had very lil sucess to none. I also untill now only had a 9ft rod, lol and now I have my real steelie/salmon out fit took me a lil while to get but man I got it ! I really like that formula you came up with never heard that before "fly/3" great sounds really good! As far as leader shy fish what do you guys reccomend still talking about leaders, and tippets. Thanks again for your help!

Tom

[This message has been edited by steelheader007 (edited 06-22-2000).]