scaly, if you or anybody else goes to that meeting you mention please post some of what was said. i think the department personel will downplay any benefits because i don't believe department personel, especially biologists like c&r very much. we'll see, but i can imagine mr. "msy" gibbons telling the commission there isn't any need for c&r because he and his biologists are doing such a wonderful job managing steelhead throughout the state <G>

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