I appreciate the discussion about the damage that the marine mixed stock salmon fisheries do to age, size, numbers, future, and so on. But what the ocean is trying to tell us, in the way in which sizes are now changing, species are vanishing, and so on is that the whole damn ocean is in trouble.

If salmon managers continue to look only at salmon the fish are lost. We (all managers) have to consider the ecological consequences of what harvesting "their" resource does. Taking too many herring cuts down salmon food. Taking too many Chinook removes Killer Whale food, allowing too few salmon spawners takes away bear food. And the list goes on and on.

The long term health of our salmon runs depends on taking and doing a holistic view of the oceans and uplands that will include the future of humans and natural resources. It's linked. And ignored.