A couple of things. As a former Cop, you should already know #1 and #2

1. Hands in the air is not enough. It is not a magic white flag of surrender. These guys were considered armed & dangerous and possibly domestic terrorists. Everyone was on edge. They lost the benefit of doubt and were active suspects in an armed crime.

2. You never leave the vehicle which is considered an act of aggression. Stay in your seat and leave you hands on the wheel.

3. Can you please condense all these obsessive Bundy posts into one thread? Do we really need a new thread every time something new pops up with this subject? You can use my "who isn't dying?" thread as an excellent baseline for how it's done. Thanks.