Hey guys...I'm not "lipping" off so to speak...that's just the way I talk. I'm sorry if I came across totally mad. This river I admit can be good if you hit it at the right time and the right water conditions....and at other times it really sucks. Just like any other river that holds fish in it...it all depends. I'm just saying that I like this river due to the quiet surroundings and scerenity of it....that's all. It's a good place to get away from the "crowd" that comes with many other rivers... and I hate to see that lost. There are not many places like this out there anymore. Don't get the wrong idea guys....just putting in my 2 cents. thanks Wiggle Wart