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#1027083 - 03/27/20 04:57 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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Parr

Registered: 04/17/15
Posts: 57
Glad to see I am not the only one to think this shutdown is an unesasary over reaction..

https://mynorthwest.com/1791573/fishing-banned-coronavirus/amp/#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

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#1027087 - 03/27/20 05:38 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
deerlick Offline
Spawner

Registered: 12/30/08
Posts: 579
Loc: around
Corona for all!!! let the strong survive

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#1027089 - 03/27/20 05:46 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: Priority2]
fish4brains Offline
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Registered: 08/23/06
Posts: 6352
Loc: zipper
Originally Posted By: Priority2


If your truley worried about covid-19 transmission focus on all the homeless congregating together.


Are you saying this might "thin the herd?"
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#1027090 - 03/27/20 05:47 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deerlick]
SpoonFed Offline
Repeat Spawner

Registered: 01/29/19
Posts: 1078
Originally Posted By: deerlick
Corona for all!!!


Seabass said to put it on his tab.

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#1027112 - 03/27/20 10:31 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
WDFW X 1 = 0 Offline
My Area code makes me cooler than you

Registered: 01/27/15
Posts: 3391
Fish for no fish.
Man you guys are desperate.

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#1027113 - 03/27/20 10:34 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: Priority2]
RUNnGUN Offline
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Registered: 12/06/07
Posts: 1045
Originally Posted By: Priority2
Glad to see I am not the only one to think this shutdown is an unesasary over reaction..

https://mynorthwest.com/1791573/fishing-banned-coronavirus/amp/#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s


Your link and you are fd up. Hope you and all your relatives stay safe from your mindset and potential irresponsibility.


Edited by RUNnGUN (03/27/20 10:35 PM)
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#1027120 - 03/28/20 08:35 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
Carcassman Online   content
River Nutrients

Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 5834
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
This is a situation where one can come up with lots of "but what about?" that makes sense to go out. Like, I live on a bay; I could stand on my bank and fish. Or, I live on a lake or river and could do the same while interacting with nobody but the fish. In that case, it does seem dumb. But, if I leave my property I have the ability to infect others or be infected by them when I buy gas, bait, tackle, food, show my license to Warden, talk to the sampler.

Many here rag on WDFW for having supremely complex regulations. They did this to squeeze as much "opportunity" out of the available fish. They could do that now by, but it would be a couple hundred pages of exceptions to close.

I am already hearing friends with severely compromised health of bullets they have dodged, so far, by not being out in public. I am selfish enough that I want my family and friends, most of whom are older than me, to be around so we can do things together when this calms down. I am staying away from others so that they survive.

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#1027212 - 03/29/20 10:09 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: RUNnGUN]
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Parr

Registered: 04/17/15
Posts: 57
Originally Posted By: RUNnGUN
Originally Posted By: Priority2
Glad to see I am not the only one to think this shutdown is an unesasary over reaction..

https://mynorthwest.com/1791573/fishing-banned-coronavirus/amp/#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s


Your link and you are fd up. Hope you and all your relatives stay safe from your mindset and potential irresponsibility.


I apologize about the link I was on my phone at the time..
You could google search too if the link doesn't work.....
maybe next time ….

https://mynorthwest.com/1791573/fishing-banned-coronavirus/

As far as my relatives staying safe... thank you for your concern...
what exactly is dangerous about my mindset?
I am curious about yours? I have not said one thing that would endanger anyone!
I disagree with no fishing rule! yes I do... is that dangerous?
If it is I am glad you informed me.... now can you explain to me how that is potentially dangerous? much appreciated!!


Edited by Priority2 (03/29/20 10:13 PM)

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#1027218 - 03/30/20 09:06 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: NickD90]
Slow Boat Offline
Alevin

Registered: 12/26/12
Posts: 10
+1

Your assessment of our predicament is accurate and your arguments clear. Please be sure to pass this on to the Director. It would be criminal to waste all of the sacrifices made and lives lost by prematurely reopening sport fishing.

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#1027237 - 03/30/20 01:07 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: Slow Boat]
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Parr

Registered: 04/17/15
Posts: 57
Originally Posted By: Slow Boat
+1

Your assessment of our predicament is accurate and your arguments clear. Please be sure to pass this on to the Director. It would be criminal to waste all of the sacrifices made and lives lost by prematurely reopening sport fishing.



Assessment is accurate? arguments clear?
I wish that honest discussion could happen without posts like this..
The Governor said no fishing.... So as far as I know not one person has been caught fishing.

Don't dare disagree with him or your a danger..... Where does this come from?

Why not argue that everyone shut down not just the citizens....
Why are you not questioning and angered with Tribal construction, fishing??????
Not logical!!!!!

If every single man woman and child stays home.. your not going to kill the virus, it needs a host and with the homeless population and the Governors vital services and personal approvals of jobs for the few and privileged donors to his campaign i.e. Emerald Queen Casino construction.....Etc..... The virus will live. We all go back to our normal operation it will happen all over again with just a few cases infecting the many...

Homeless traveling anywhere, everywhere.....
We have to take a common sense approach. If you are at risk, you are old, compromised immune system then stay home. If you are healthy and take appropriate precautions that have been outline... then fishing on your boat with your family is as safe as you can get...
Again a common sense approach would help everyone get through this better than one size fits all except if your a Democratic donor...

The logic is similar to the banning straw debate.... Why ban plastic straws? because they end up in the ocean and endanger sea life.. fair point... but where do straws that end up in the ocean come from?
Seattle?
No they come from countries like Vietnam that dump their trash in the ocean. Are we helping the situation by banning plastic straws?
No, because we don't dump our trash in the ocean, and the countries that do dump their trash will continue to dump their trash in the ocean.
So why ban plastic straws in Seattle? It makes Social justice warriors feel good.


Edited by Priority2 (03/30/20 01:25 PM)

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#1027238 - 03/30/20 01:27 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
MPM Offline
Spawner

Registered: 12/09/08
Posts: 758
Loc: Seattle, WA
I gotta say, I think NickD90 and the like are the ones that are off-base here. Certain types of fishing-related activity will violate the Proclamation 20-25, and certain types will not. This is no different than certain types of *any* activity. Yet, the Proclamation 20-25 wisely (in my opinion) does not ban all out-of-the-house activity. In fact, it deems "outdoor exercise" to be an "essential" activity, as long as social distancing guidelines are followed. The Governor himself recently said it's fine to "go for a drive," but it's not a good idea to drive half-way across Washington. The Proclamation explicitly identifies biking and hiking as examples "essential" outdoor exercise activities.

All of the arguments I've heard against allowing *any* kind of fishing apply equally to all the other "essential" activities that are allowed. Packing a bunch of buddies in a boat to go fishing would violate social distancing, just like packing a bunch of neighbors to go for a Costco trip would. So you shouldn't do either. But grocery runs are still allowed. Getting a pack of 50 bikers to go on a ride would be a bad idea, but biking is still allowed.

Using the public restrooms at a park might be a vector for SARS-CoV-2 transmission, so many are closed (including at ramps). But we are not prohibited from taking walks in the park. We are prohibited from wetting a line while we're there.

The bottom line is that WDFW went further than any other county, municipality, or statewide agency that I'm aware of by not only closing facilities, but banning a particular outdoor activity statewide (despite Inslee's order deeming outdoor exercise activities "essential").


Edited by MPM (03/30/20 01:30 PM)

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#1027239 - 03/30/20 01:31 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: Priority2]
MPM Offline
Spawner

Registered: 12/09/08
Posts: 758
Loc: Seattle, WA
Originally Posted By: Priority2


The Governor said no fishing.




He did not, actually (at least not publicly). WDFW did.

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#1027268 - 03/30/20 06:25 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
fishbadger Offline
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Registered: 03/06/01
Posts: 1127
Loc: Gig Harbor, WA
Individuals can mostly sort out a nuanced approach and usually do the right thing, as individuals. As a population (ie. public health, which is what this involves), nuanced guidelines don't result in strict enough adherence. A smallish % of folks will always look for the loophole and push the margin, exploit the gray areas. . .and thereby the virus can exploit the adherence and kill people.

It's a team sport, so stay the fvck home.

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Edited by fishbadger (03/30/20 06:25 PM)
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#1027269 - 03/30/20 06:39 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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Parr

Registered: 04/17/15
Posts: 57
This virus is not going anywhere anytime soon!

the "Stay the Fvck home" fraise might make you feel better but it does not
do a dam thing....

there will always be people that don't follow the rules and a virus will not stop them.

The sooner we get common sense habits and regulations the better.

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#1027270 - 03/30/20 06:50 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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Parr

Registered: 04/17/15
Posts: 57
To MPM's post The Gov. says going outside as long as distancing is essential...

Does "Stay the FVck home" apply

"This does not mean you can’t go outside,” said Inslee. “If you feel like going for a walk, gardening, going for a bike ride, we consider these things to be essential activities too for everyone’s physical and mental health. We all just have to practice social distancing of at least 6 feet to protect ourselves and others everywhere, all the time.”

Read more here: https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/politics-government/article241446561.html#storylink=cpy

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#1027277 - 03/30/20 08:15 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: Priority2]
Rivrguy Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 03/03/09
Posts: 3463
Loc: Somewhere on the planet,I hope
For WDFW your missing the boat. For a bit now they simply do what is the easiest. Shut down a river for fishing rather than put something together that is pragmatic and works. The point is whatever solution they come to it is going to be the one that requires the least effort. That simple.

That said the virus has no boundaries. The one GH case I read about is a person who visited PS ( Tacoma I think ) and brought it back. Everyone just needs to stay put and stop carrying that damn bug around. PS is our hot spot and if rural stay the hell out of PS and if a PS resident stay the hell out the rural areas. The bug can live 3 to 4 days on plastic and if infected and you just buy gas the bug on the pump can nail a ton of folks. Everybody just stay home! It is a small sacrifice to save lives.


Edited by Rivrguy (03/30/20 08:16 PM)
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#1027281 - 03/30/20 09:08 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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River Nutrients

Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 5834
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
I will again note all the bitching about how complex the regs are, or have been. Simple is "closed" because something almost always needs protection. I think they certainly could have done better because they can regulate for time, place, and manner.

Boats with no more than two people, no closer than X feet while not fishing from a boat. It could be done, but it would be complex.

I think on some of the Cruise Ships they found virus lived up to 17 days.

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#1027282 - 03/30/20 09:46 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: fishbadger]
eyeFISH Offline
Ornamental Rice Bowl

Registered: 11/24/03
Posts: 12555
Originally Posted By: fishbadger
Individuals can mostly sort out a nuanced approach and usually do the right thing, as individuals. As a population (ie. public health, which is what this involves), nuanced guidelines don't result in strict enough adherence. A smallish % of folks will always look for the loophole and push the margin, exploit the gray areas. . .and thereby the virus can exploit the adherence and kill people.

It's a team sport, so stay the fvck home.

fb


MONEY!

We have TWO confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Grays Harbor.... BOTH imported from out of county. New cases from outside start out sporadic and infrequent..... until it's NOT! That's when the community spread between in-county residents ramps up and the epidemic explodes locally. We are now poised for that exponential ramp up in the next 2-3 weeks.

SERIOUSLY... stay home!
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#1027299 - 03/31/20 08:09 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
Carcassman Online   content
River Nutrients

Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 5834
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
And the above is why they closed the beaches and clamming.

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#1027311 - 03/31/20 11:02 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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River Nutrients

Registered: 10/28/09
Posts: 2993
Isolation is common sense at this point, but I'm living proof you don't have to disobey the guidelines to get sick. I've been "staying the f home," but I still managed to pick up some sort of virus. Only G-I symptoms so far, but from what we're learning, Coronavirus can start out as just about anything, so I'm concerned. Really hoping I don't develop a cough or chest pain in the coming days (and yes, I'm even more holed-up than I was before).

I know this isn't what everyone wants to hear, but even self-isolation is no guarantee, against this or any illness. It's pretty obvious it gets spread by more ways than direct transfer via droplets, and there's growing suspicion it can just suspend in air for long periods of time, which makes going outside for a bike ride or run a much more risky proposition. It must be more effective at controlling spread, so we should keep doing it, but don't assume isolation is a guarantee of safety.

In case you can't tell, I'm taking this MUCH more seriously now that I'm a little sick. It all feels very real (and frightening) to me now. It's probably not reasonable (odds are it's something different), but that's what happens to a person's mindset when they're stuck at home and constantly being inundated with scary news.

Stay safe....

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