#1028127 - 04/14/20 07:30 PM
Re: Washington closed to fishing
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Returning Adult
Registered: 12/01/18
Posts: 428
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Thanks Todd. I hope you are right about the 950 prisoners being non-violent. If the the "hardened" criminals are let go also then that opens a whole new "can of worms".
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#1028136 - 04/14/20 08:57 PM
Re: Washington closed to fishing
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Parr
Registered: 04/17/15
Posts: 58
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I will never understand the comments on this forum. Treat sportsmen as if we break the laws on the regular, dont have commen sense, given the chance will act stupidly and endanger others..
So if we open fishing it's the fisherman that will go to forks and spread covid around?
Does Oregon and California have small communities with small hospitals? Its not a concern in those states but in Washington our sportsmen cant follow guidelines of social distancing, washing thier hands?
I have seen Baskin and Robin's, the hardware store, grocery store, gas stations full of people! Yes they are deemed essential but come on Baskin & Robbins? I go about my business and follow the guidlines and I should be able to fish!
Its definatly not the fishing ban that dropped the curve of covid infections it's the common sense distancing and awareness most people are following that is working and we can open the state back up!
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#1028140 - 04/14/20 11:16 PM
Re: Washington closed to fishing
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 10/26/12
Posts: 1057
Loc: Graham, WA
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Baywolf, I love your passion but with the tribes having all the power it is a very difficult situation. Exactly the point. We are seeing it right in front of us EVERY SINGLE SALMON SEASON! WE ARE LOSING OUR FISHING SLOWLY, LIKE A FROG BEING BOILED! Do you have more fishing now then you did four years ago when I first started "Pounding my Drum"? JOIN THE FIGHT or SELL YOUR GREAR. Because before long, the ban on rec fishing will be permanent...the frog will be boiled having never jumped out!
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#1028142 - 04/15/20 05:45 AM
Re: Washington closed to fishing
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 05/13/03
Posts: 230
Loc: Grayland
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Bay Wolf you’re missing the point again. I totally respect you right of speech and compassion. I may be wrong but I believe the topic was fishing closure due to Covid 19. I seriously doubt if there’s any conspiracies going on with that. I believe the Alaska/Oregon/California model can work once the number of new cases start to reside. There’s no reason that if you live in Seattle that you shouldn’t be a able to bike to Green Lake and watch a bobber. If you live on or close to a local lake be able to take your kid out on a sunny afternoon. If the present trend continues this thing will go well into July. Open fishing limit travel.
Again a lot of us appreciate Baywolfs compassion however you’ve already got at least 3 posts started on NOF and closed door meetings. Feel free to continue to express your frustration there. It’s the hijack thing that gets a little tiresome.
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#1028143 - 04/15/20 06:21 AM
Re: Washington closed to fishing
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Parr
Registered: 04/17/15
Posts: 58
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Bay Wolf you’re missing the point again. I totally respect you right of speech and compassion. I may be wrong but I believe the topic was fishing closure due to Covid 19. I seriously doubt if there’s any conspiracies going on with that. I believe the Alaska/Oregon/California model can work once the number of new cases start to reside. There’s no reason that if you live in Seattle that you shouldn’t be a able to bike to Green Lake and watch a bobber. If you live on or close to a local lake be able to take your kid out on a sunny afternoon. If the present trend continues this thing will go well into July. Open fishing limit travel.
Again a lot of us appreciate Baywolfs compassion however you’ve already got at least 3 posts started on NOF and closed door meetings. Feel free to continue to express your frustration there. It’s the hijack thing that gets a little tiresome. Fair minded people can see there is something else behind the fishing closure besides the covid outbreak! Why are we the ONLY state to shut down fishing? Surely it's not to stop the spread... other states have proven that false! Its pick a reason to shut down fishing game... Let's play... 1.To many encounters with juveniel salmenoid. 2. Not enough returning endangered ESA listed fish. (At the same time tribes are loading these same fish on a truck sold for profit). 3.we have caught too many fish on our small quota (decided by the tribes in the secret meetings). 4. Tribes complaining too many citizens in thier way when they are netting large amounts of ESA listed fish. 5. ?
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#1028144 - 04/15/20 07:25 AM
Re: Washington closed to fishing
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 05/13/03
Posts: 230
Loc: Grayland
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We were the first major outbreak in the US is one reason. A second was the first fair weather weekend this spring half of Pugetropolis made break for the coast totally overwhelming these small communities with very few resources to battle the beast. These small communities from Bandon to Neah Bay freaked dude! Even if sport fishing were to reopen I’ll guarantee port of Grays Harbor will NOT open for sport vessels. I believe I read on another page the Neah Bay/La Push closed their launch’s as well. Case in point leave it to the local jurisdictions to make the decisions. That said I agree with the earlier decision executed with a rather large hammer to stop the spread that was inevitably, no conspiracies here dude, the decisions were made at the top level quickly to save lives and resources. Hope you can understand that.
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#1028145 - 04/15/20 07:54 AM
Re: Washington closed to fishing
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Parr
Registered: 04/17/15
Posts: 58
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Your entitled to your opinion.
I disagree 100 percent!
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#1028148 - 04/15/20 08:28 AM
Re: Washington closed to fishing
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My Waders are Moist
Registered: 11/20/08
Posts: 3419
Loc: PNW
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They have put a piece of wood over every basketball hoop in my town. What a [Bleeeeep!] joke. Parks are packed with every type of group activity but they close the hoops....I am ripping that wood off later, I have seen zero other people shooting at the hoop I use in 3 years.
I guess basketball players and fishermen are the problem now...
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#1028150 - 04/15/20 08:54 AM
Re: Washington closed to fishing
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AcidAngler
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Does Oregon and California have small communities with small hospitals? Its not a concern in those states but in Washington our sportsmen cant follow guidelines of social distancing, washing thier hands?
It's a concern here in California. Recreational lakes ,state parks,county parks,all are closed. I wanted to fish the spring bass bite at Nacimiento Reservoir, Closed. Clear Lake ,Closed. Salmon season ocean sport,closed. Parking lots to beaches,closed. You have to be really creative to be able to find spots to fish. Luckily I have some striper laden beaches right now that take a bit of work to get to,and a couple small bass ponds if I get desperate, but make no mistake 90% of the fishing here is closed right now,the launch ramps are closed,so if you you do not have a slip forget about it.
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#1028154 - 04/15/20 09:36 AM
Re: Washington closed to fishing
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/03/09
Posts: 4559
Loc: Somewhere on the planet,I hope
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Somewhat odd on how folks in different places react differently to this virus and everything associated around it. For fishing it is simple enough. A person living in a particular area could walk to a stream or lake and maintain the distancing thing. They could use a boat launch and take precautions to insure their safety. What can not be utilized is the sanitation facilities, hotel or motels, things like guided fishing, charter boats, sell out of state fishing or hunting licenses or use any transportation other than their own. In Grays Harbor we have 8 cases so far and one who has the virus is on a ventilator is someone I have known for nearly 60 years who is a guide. So yes fishing and hunting can happen but nobody needs folks traveling all over hell with some carrying the bug so stay the hell home.
Edited by Rivrguy (04/15/20 10:33 AM)
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#1028162 - 04/15/20 11:00 AM
Re: Washington closed to fishing
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 08/12/13
Posts: 107
Loc: Arlington, Washington
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5: WDFW doesn't want to pay for enforcement and monitoring.
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#1028168 - 04/15/20 11:54 AM
Re: Washington closed to fishing
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 06/03/06
Posts: 1547
Loc: Tacoma
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Makah Tribe
Public Announcement
As of April 6, 2020, the Makah Tribal Council has extended the Shelter in Place order until May 15, 2020 and the Neah Bay/Makah reservation remains closed to visitors.
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In response to the confirmed person-to-person spread of COVID-19 in Washington State,
The Makah Tribal Council, after careful consideration, has determined the need to implement appropriate measures to protect the health, safety and welfare of the Makah people and the Neah Bay community. The rapid changes with regard to COVID-19 are a public health concern and the Makah Tribe is carefully monitoring this outbreak and coordinating with Tribal, County and State emergency management agencies as the situation develops.
Local businesses have been encouraged to consider the health and safety of their patrons and implement practices that will reduce public contact, encourage social distancing and ensure that diligent sanitization procedures are in place.
Effective Monday, March 16, 2020 and until further notice, businesses and properties owned by the Makah Tribe will be limiting or closing public access.
Hobuck Beach Resort and The Cape Resort will be closed to customers until further notice.
The Shi Shi Trail and Cape Flattery Trail will remain open to Makah Tribal members, however it will be closed to the general public until further notice, as well as the 3rd Beach trail commonly used for surfing activities.
The Makah Cultural and Research Center (Museum) will be closed until further notice effective March 16, 2020.
The boat launch at Big Salmon will be closed to the general public but will remain open to the residents of Neah Bay.
We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience and appreciate your understanding continued patronage in the future.
You may visit the following websites for updates:
Looks like La push is off limits too, as there web site states the reservation is closed and off limits to non-residents.
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#1028170 - 04/15/20 12:02 PM
Re: Washington closed to fishing
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Carcass
Registered: 01/01/03
Posts: 2190
Loc: Post Falls Idaho
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Todd got it right; the real issue is travel. The point of a stay at home order is to stay at home, which is pretty difficult to enforce, so to get people to stay at home you have to remove the opportunities or reason for them to travel. Closing fishing sucks, but this whole things sucks, however, it is what it is.
I live in North Idaho. Our conservative Governor just extended our stay at home order for two weeks. He decided to listen to real science and not the make believe, make me feel good science the rest of the conservatives in this state prefer. The republican knuckle heads in Boise want the decisions to made on the regional level and trust that everyone will do the right things. Sure, you bet, I was gainfully employed in public safety for 32 years because not everyone does the right thing. A patch work of closures is useless because those in closed areas will simply travel to open areas. By the way, if you come here from Washington make it a 3 week vacation because effective today you have to quarantine for 14 days first.
You all stay safe and healthy.
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#1028175 - 04/15/20 12:49 PM
Re: Washington closed to fishing
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/03/09
Posts: 4559
Loc: Somewhere on the planet,I hope
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I am told two weeks in Alaska.
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#1028189 - 04/15/20 06:17 PM
Re: Washington closed to fishing
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 1819
Loc: Wenatchee, WA
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The Chelan/Douglas County Public bus system (LINK) apparently went to ZERO user fees since the virus hit??? I was reading the online edition of the local paper last night, and there was a letter in the opinion section from a bus driver complaining about all the "homeless and undesirables" now riding the buses all-day, as the bus is now free. The fees used to keep these "types" off the Public Transportation for the most part, but now the drivers feel overwhelmed that they can't keep up with the sanitization of the buses, and they're concerned about their safety as well as their customers.
When there's a "stay at home order", why dismiss the bus fee to encourage ridership?? Maybe it was dropped to help ease the financial pain for the folks who are currently unemployed due to the virus? IDK, but just shows that for every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction.
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#1028191 - 04/15/20 07:27 PM
Re: Washington closed to fishing
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 08/04/99
Posts: 1432
Loc: Olympia, WA
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Another example of "Why we can't have nice things." Our Intercity Transit serving most of Thurston County went zero user fees on January 1, 2020. The number of riders increased significantly until the pandemic hit and the "stay at home" directives were issued. That really dropped passenger numbers. Too bad, as the zero fees was an experiment to see what impact the policy would have on increasing ridership. Now it looks like two or three months of collecting data will be lost; I see very few people waiting at the bus stops these days. Public transportation has got to be just below cruise ships and casinos as a petri dish for pathogens. Downtown Olympia has a huge homeless problem. I'm sure the bus drivers serving that area are facing the exact conditions you've described. A state park ranger told me that user fees were initiated to keep undesirables from taking over the parks; seems fares serve the same purpose on buses.
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#1028204 - 04/16/20 05:44 AM
Re: Washington closed to fishing
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Spawner
Registered: 01/06/07
Posts: 658
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I guess we're not that worried about spreading the virus. https://www.king5.com/article/news/healt...be-a8e00eba4e36A Mercer Island man said he was able to pass through customs at Sea-Tac Airport in about two minutes after returning from Asia. April 8, 2020
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#1028208 - 04/16/20 08:37 AM
Re: Washington closed to fishing
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 12/06/07
Posts: 1437
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Makah Tribe
Public Announcement
As of April 6, 2020, the Makah Tribal Council has extended the Shelter in Place order until May 15, 2020 and the Neah Bay/Makah reservation remains closed to visitors.
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In response to the confirmed person-to-person spread of COVID-19 in Washington State,
The Makah Tribal Council, after careful consideration, has determined the need to implement appropriate measures to protect the health, safety and welfare of the Makah people and the Neah Bay community. The rapid changes with regard to COVID-19 are a public health concern and the Makah Tribe is carefully monitoring this outbreak and coordinating with Tribal, County and State emergency management agencies as the situation develops.
Local businesses have been encouraged to consider the health and safety of their patrons and implement practices that will reduce public contact, encourage social distancing and ensure that diligent sanitization procedures are in place.
Effective Monday, March 16, 2020 and until further notice, businesses and properties owned by the Makah Tribe will be limiting or closing public access.
Hobuck Beach Resort and The Cape Resort will be closed to customers until further notice.
The Shi Shi Trail and Cape Flattery Trail will remain open to Makah Tribal members, however it will be closed to the general public until further notice, as well as the 3rd Beach trail commonly used for surfing activities.
The Makah Cultural and Research Center (Museum) will be closed until further notice effective March 16, 2020.
The boat launch at Big Salmon will be closed to the general public but will remain open to the residents of Neah Bay.
We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience and appreciate your understanding continued patronage in the future.
You may visit the following websites for updates:
Looks like La push is off limits too, as there web site states the reservation is closed and off limits to non-residents. Not the only tribe that has closed all activities to non residence. Curious what future affect this virus and the tribal isolation will have on reservation access, resource access, tribal activities and demands? Their are those tribal members that have always wanted isolation from society, non interference in their activities, an "us" only idea. Being sovereign gives them that luxury. My concern is future public access to the same activities that the Boldt decision gave to them. Fishing, crabbing, shellfish gathering, hiking, hunting etc. and keep in mind they are still getting to do all those now with 0 competition. Tribes have been winning! Government in their pocket, buying up real estate, winning every court decision, successfully increasing their share of fisheries through closures, approvals to non taxed casino gaming, all at the expense of the residence around them. I'm not saying they don't deserve it because the white man did and has always fd them over. I just wonder what the future holds for the activities I cherish living here. Not being able to participate in any of those has been a reality check. Having lived here and participated in the outdoors my whole life, and now being cooped up, has me thinking. Maybe thinking too much!
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#1028216 - 04/16/20 10:12 AM
Re: Washington closed to fishing
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 07/01/04
Posts: 1276
Loc: North Creek
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"We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience and appreciate your understanding continued patronage in the future."
I think your answer is right there in the Makah's "we're closed" notice. Hikers, sightseers, surfers and sport fishermen are a big part of the Makah's cash revenue - especially since they have not gone down the casino road - which I appreciate.
Have been going to Neah Bay annually for the past 50 yrs - as a kid when the "docks" were nothing more than a couple big logs cabled together with plywood tacked on top - to taking my own kids - to now them going there with their own boats. Love that place and the surrounding forests, beaches and water and would certainly hate to loose access but I really don't think the Makah's have any nefarious intent in isolating right now other than protecting themselves from Covid.
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#1028217 - 04/16/20 10:21 AM
Re: Washington closed to fishing
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/03/09
Posts: 4559
Loc: Somewhere on the planet,I hope
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Considering the history of the last 300 years of the native peoples being far more vulnerable to diseases than other ethnicities, I think it would cause be to bar the door also. Self preservation is always a high priority.
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