#1036565 - 08/15/20 05:43 PM
Snohomish Coho
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Spawner
Registered: 03/07/12
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Why is the Snohomish system the only one shut down for Coho this year?
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#1036566 - 08/15/20 06:13 PM
Re: Snohomish Coho
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King of the Beach
Registered: 12/11/02
Posts: 5207
Loc: Carkeek Park
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I believe it has to do with the forecast not hitting the number of fish they want back, in particular wild coho. SF
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#1036568 - 08/15/20 07:54 PM
Re: Snohomish Coho
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 11/26/03
Posts: 213
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At the 2019 Mill Creek NOF meeting WDFW brought up that the Feds were telling the state and Tribe that they need to get more Native Coho back to the Spawning Grounds or face the possibility of the Fall Coho being listed as Threatened or Endangered. That is why there was a short season in 2019.
The forecast for 2020 is lower. So it is closed. The only hope is that more Coho return then predicted.
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#1036574 - 08/16/20 06:03 AM
Re: Snohomish Coho
[Re: Salman]
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 03/20/07
Posts: 151
Loc: Lake Stevens
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We sure f’d that run up remarkably fast. I’m sure it’s just a normal cyclical down turn though, nothing to see here.
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#1036578 - 08/16/20 09:00 AM
Re: Snohomish Coho
[Re: Salman]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 7438
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
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This is not normal or normal cycles. Stuff is happening in the ocean that is unprecedented (in human record keeping times). Some of it is tied to Climate change, some to fisheries, some to hatcheries. And the crash is huge. The current estimate for Fraser sockeye is the LOWEST EVER RECORDED, including when the overfishing and Hell's Gate were at their peak. How does the last few LW sockeye compare with history?
There is lot going on out there, it is being observed, reported, published, and so on but no action is being taken.
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#1036579 - 08/16/20 10:03 AM
Re: Snohomish Coho
[Re: Salman]
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Spawner
Registered: 03/07/12
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LW Sockeye are at lowest levels ever. I saw a big school of them in the slough one day and it was covered in about 10’ long grass, good luck spawning in that.
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#1036580 - 08/16/20 12:40 PM
Re: Snohomish Coho
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River Nutrients
Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 7438
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
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"Ever" being a relative term since the Baker stock (primary source of fish in lake WA, was introduced in the 1930s.
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#1036592 - 08/16/20 04:46 PM
Re: Snohomish Coho
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Returning Adult
Registered: 03/16/00
Posts: 329
Loc: snohomish, wa
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this one makes some sense not like the Stilly being closed because there might be some king salmon.
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#1036594 - 08/16/20 05:16 PM
Re: Snohomish Coho
[Re: Salman]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 04/25/00
Posts: 5078
Loc: East of Aberdeen, West of Mont...
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Why is the Snohomish system the only one shut down for Coho this year? I see you have 711 posts......I suggest you attend the NOF meetings in your area, that is the place to "get information AND to have some say so on the salmon season in your area". I had lots of questions, so I'd fire off emails to personnel in Region 6, it was recommended that I start going to Region 6 NOF meetings.....I've done that since 2008, lot's of [Bleeeeep!] stuff but I'm there for most decisions, feel that its pretty "cut and dryed" before the meeting even start.
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#1036596 - 08/16/20 08:24 PM
Re: Snohomish Coho
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Spawner
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Ever saw a need to till now. Do they talk about all recreational or do they talk recreational/commercial?
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#1036619 - 08/17/20 03:02 PM
Re: Snohomish Coho
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 12/29/99
Posts: 1611
Loc: Vancouver, Washington
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Conversely, the sockeye return on the Columbia Rv was unexpectedly high. The returns were slightly above the 10-year average, which was considerably higher than predicted. And the water temps were fairly decent for their upstream migration, so it's likely they were not effected by hot water on their way up.
Most of those sockeye were headed to the Upper Columbia, and into British Columbia. The Snake River stock is still not doing well. Even this year.
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#1036894 - 08/20/20 08:36 PM
Re: Snohomish Coho
[Re: Salman]
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Spawner
Registered: 03/07/12
Posts: 806
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Exactly why the god damns need to come down, lower water temperature combined with free flowing river gets those fish where they need to be.
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#1036975 - 08/22/20 03:13 PM
Re: Snohomish Coho
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 09/07/05
Posts: 1882
Loc: Spokane WA
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If you skipped fishing the Snohomish system for the last 15 years, then you missed a lot of excellent opportunities.
Yes its declined significantly in the last few years, but there were some excellent years prior to that.
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#1036977 - 08/22/20 04:00 PM
Re: Snohomish Coho
[Re: Salman]
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Returning Adult
Registered: 12/17/10
Posts: 276
Loc: Brier, WA
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My buddy and I started fishing Dick Nites on the Snohomish and Sky back in 1983. We were told about them by a guy who learned the year before from two old time Skagit guides, Rich Bogle and Cary Duvall. We had many, many incredible days for silvers, chum, and humpies, being the only ones on the Snoho and Sky fishing them until I'd say about 1995. That all started to change when a guide, Rod Bush, authored a how-to article in the Everett Herald and Al Gore invented the internet. Soon after, everyone was an "expert" on how to fish them. Oh well... I still have several hundred in unopened packages.
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#1036996 - 08/23/20 06:16 PM
Re: Snohomish Coho
[Re: Salman]
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Returning Adult
Registered: 12/17/10
Posts: 276
Loc: Brier, WA
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CC - I'm sure we've crossed paths on the river. We did talk for a good while over the phone about why we both always have oars in our sleds. Hope to meet up with you someday.
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#1037176 - 08/26/20 04:57 PM
Re: Snohomish Coho
[Re: Salman]
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 07/01/04
Posts: 1303
Loc: North Creek
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A friend and I went on Rod Bush's last guiding trip on the snoho (in 2004 I believe it was). That was my intro to snoho coho (always fished the salt for salmon previously) and Dick Nite fishing. Caught a lot of fish that year and following years out of the Snohomish using what I learned and sad to see such a quality fishery go downhill.
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#1038039 - 09/14/20 06:19 AM
Re: Snohomish Coho
[Re: Salman]
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Spawner
Registered: 03/07/12
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Driving by Cabelas the other day and noticed a cooler full of Coho for sale. Do they not get to stop fishing Coho this year or was it from another area?
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#1038066 - 09/14/20 05:08 PM
Re: Snohomish Coho
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Spawner
Registered: 04/30/99
Posts: 534
Loc: Lake Forest Dark, Wa
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Tulalip Bay hatchery Coho I'm assuming.
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