Rich wonders where the old gang went, so maybe some will drift back and explain why they remain happy that they voted for Trump.

I think Trump has arrived as would be dictator. Clearly he wants all the power of Congress and the courts vested in the Executive Branch, as long as it's under him, of course.

Trump has broadly imposed tariffs on whatever country has him pissed off at the moment, which is the province of Congress, except under limited circumstances.

Trump has downsized federal agencies and impounded federal funds without the direct authorization of Congress. Since the GOP Congress is composed of spineless Trumpian lapdogs, why not do it legally and have Congress do it?

Trump, through brainless Kristi Noem, had idiot ICE agents arresting and detaining people who "might" be illegal aliens, without warrants - that are required by law - and on flimsy evidence, like appearing to be Hispanic. Weird thing, the southwestern US was once part of Mexico, so there are many, many thousands of Mexican-Americans who are US citizens. One such citizen who works in construction has been detained twice by ICE despite having documents proving his US citizenship. He has joined a class action lawsuit against ICE and Homeland Security and Noem. One of these days, masked ICE agents, without producing ID, arriving in unmarked vehicles, and without warrants are going to break into a building and get shot by a person defending himself against an unknown armed intruder. I don't normally wish anyone ill will, but I think agents who behave thusly absolutely deserve to be shot, this being America and all.

Trump has ordered National Guard troops into several cities directly against the express wishes of governors and mayors. Again, this power is reserved for the select instances where states or cities are out of compliance with the law, such as occurred in Mississippi and Alabama during federal enforcement of the Civil Rights Act.

Trump, through lapdog Brendan Carr at the FCC, has violated the 4th Amendment by censoring and attempting to censor broadcasters, and also extorted payments from ABC and CBS. So Trump is opposed to free speech that criticizes or is "mean" to him. He really is trying to follow in the footsteps of his authoritarian hero in Hungary, maybe N. Korea too?

Trump has called Democrats "communist fascists," clearly articulating that he doesn't understand what either of those terms mean. Trump is unhinged from reality, insisting that Portland, OR is a war zone that is burning down because FOX News showed film clips of current protest against ICE along with a clip of the major protest and riot that occurred in 2020.

Oh, and aren't you thrilled that you get to pay taxes to Trump so that he can bail out soybean farmers in Iowa, Kentucky, and Arkansas who cannot sell their crop due to Trump's tariff on China. So China decided to buy their soybeans from Brazil instead. All part of "the Art of the Deal," right? Gotta' love it when Trump voters get what they voted for. All hail Fascist dictator Trump! No more 1st Amendment, no 4th Amendment, stay tuned and see how many more rights and freedoms you lose!

What's to be upset about? Getting rid of all those brown folks who don't speak English is a good thing, right? They don't belong, even if their ancestor were here first, because they lost a war or made a "deal" (treaty). I can say what I want; it's those folks who don't 'Murica that get in trouble.

On a semi-serious note, though, usurping the work of Congress at least assures something gets done. The Congress-critters have abrogated their responsibilities to govern, to demand performance for monies spent, and so on. Our government works when all three legs of the stool actually do what the Constitution set out for them and then respect the decisions of the other branches who (supposedly) represent the voters.

Especially when I was younger it seemed obvious to me that some countries were not really capable of a democratic-type of government because they did not possess the education, thought processes, and willingness to participate. They just wanted to be told what to do.

Here we go again. Trump said he would be a dictator on day 1 insinuating this by signing executive orders, just like every other recent president has done. Are they all dictators too?



Economists are pretty mixed on if the tariffs are good or bad. As it stands, unemployment went from 4.2% in August 2024 to 4.1% in June of 2025 and has been holding steady since. The stonk markets are also performing reasonably well with the DJI being around 9.9% YTD. The headline inflation rate was about 2.9% in the last year which is lower than the historical average of 3.29%. It looks like overall things are pretty healthy at the moment unaffected by any tariffs. Do you even have any metrics to back up your claims bruh, or is this more typical Salmo G. nonsense?



He trimmed the government fat a bit? Man… that’s so terrible.



Embellishment. According to The NY Times, 15 American citizens have been detained and none were actually arrested. Over 400,000 have been deported and 1,600,000 have self-deported. The people arrested were for obstructing or assaulting LE. Get your facts straight bruh.



Liberal cities with liberal policies who aren’t arresting antifa and letting them destroy our cities. If local LE is instructed to stand down against crime, law and order must be maintained and it is the role of the national guard to be dispatched when there is civil unrest. You should go live on downtown Seattle or Portland. You belong there bruh.



Let’s see… Trump has won multiple lawsuits against ABC News, CBS, Facebook, Meta, Twitter, YouTube and had other suits against The NY Times, CNN, and the Washington Post. Maybe they should just stick to the facts instead of focusing on slanderous bullschit. Maybe you should stick to facts as well and not post bullchit?




According to google AI, fascism is defined by dictatorial leadership, an emphasis on a social hierarchy, and the forcible suppression of opposition. This is left-wing authoritarianism and is a suitable definition. Communist fascists with communist being the adjective describing the type of fascist. You are more detached from reality and lately Rich G appears more lucid in his thoughts than yourself.



Yeah. Nobody is losing their rights. More nonsense and bullchit that you continue to post. I didn’t vote for Trump in 2016 or 2020, but I did in 2024 and clearly he was the better of the two options.


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climateman. When you come here illegally and dont show up for your asylum court date, you then have an order of removal placed for you. Pretty simple. Good job comparing Mexicans to actual indigenous peoples of america.

"Trump said he would be a dictator on day 1 insinuating this by signing executive orders, just like every other recent president has done. Are they all dictators too? "

Every president produces some EOs. Trump is the clear leader of using EOs, and using them to legislate things he likely couldn't get Congress to pass.

"Economists are pretty mixed on if the tariffs are good or bad"

The preponderance of economists say that the way Trump is imposing and using tariffs is definitely bad for Americans, and ultimately the US economy. Inflation is heading back up, due largely to tariffs. The tariffs on Canadian softwood is increasing construction costs and tariffs on steel and aluminum are causing US automakers to reduce production - the very industry that Trump said would surge as a result of his policies.

"He trimmed the government fat a bit? Man… that’s so terrible. "

And the way he went about it was beyond stupid - thanks to you Trump voters. And now the Feds are having to try to rehire thousands of fired federal workers, having discovered that the federal agencies don't run by themselves.

"The people arrested were for obstructing or assaulting LE."

ICE always alleges obstruction when they don't have a real charge to use. No wonder the charges get dismissed when American citizens are arrested. I'm not defending illegal immigration; I think the only aliens who should be in the country are the ones who enter and stay legally. I'm objecting to the way Kristi and Homan are going about it. And I honestly hope masked, unbadged, unidentified agents breaking in without warrants are shot and killed for the simple reason that actions should have consequences. (Play stupid games; win stupid prizes.) I've no problem if they remove their masks, display proper LE ID, and execute valid warrants. I mean, after all, following the law is what people do in a "nation of laws," what the US used to be.

"Liberal cities with liberal policies who aren’t arresting antifa and letting them destroy our cities. If local LE is instructed to stand down against crime, law and order must be maintained and it is the role of the national guard to be dispatched when there is civil unrest."

In 2020 the politics of Portland and Seattle were beyond stupid. No argument there. However, that doesn't represent today. Portland is not at war, nor is there any insurrection there. If there were, the governor is perfectly capable of deciding whether or not to call out the National Guard. The purpose of the NG is to serve cities, state, and nation during emergencies, not to placate a maniac fascist president. There is no emergency in Portland or Seattle. And this is not a defense of the way either city is managing homeless populations.

" Trump has won multiple lawsuits against ABC News, CBS, Facebook, Meta, Twitter, YouTube and had other suits against The NY Times, CNN, and the Washington Post"

Trump hasn't won any such lawsuits. ABC, CBS, FB/Meta decided to just pay off Trump in hopes of currying favor, not realizing that when you pay off a bully, they just come back for more. NYT realized this and let Trump/DOJ "bring it on." The court immediately dismissed Trump's lawsuit as lacking any merit and failure to invoke any applicable law. The broadcasters could have done the same, lawyers were saying Trump had no case, but ABC and CBS were involved in acquisitions and mergers that Trump's gov't. could disapprove, so they tried the payoff route. Note that when Disney fired Jimmy Kimmel and realized Americans were voting with the wallets by canceling Disney subscriptions, they reconsidered and restored his TV show, much to Trump's chagrin.

"According to google AI, fascism is defined by dictatorial leadership, an emphasis on a social hierarchy, and the forcible suppression of opposition."

Fascism typically occurs in right wing governments, i.e., currently Hungary and Turkey to a significant extent. Fascist governments don't own the means of production, but are frequently joined at the hip, like Trump just did with Intel and proposes doing with other industries, like mining in Ukraine and I think I just heard proposes with Canada (which I find weird cuz Canada is a major global player in the mining field.). Left wing authoritarianism usually is found under communist government, i.e., the government owns the means of production and dictates everyone's role within the society.

"Nobody is losing their rights."

Yet. Are you denying that Trump is trying to suppress 1st A free speech, as exemplified by coming down on ABC and CBS and the NYT? If you're paying attention at all, you have to notice that Trump is trying to silence any criticism of him. Thin skinned fvcker can't stand to have anyone say mean stuff about him.

What Trump ought to do is immediately end ALL social security payments.
Take the money that currently exists and put it toward the national debt.
Make people invest in their own retirement and be held accountable for doing so or not.

Hasn't he done enough illegal actions already?

Oh, and fvck you! I paid into SS since 1965. I want some of my money back, with interest. Don't you want yours?

Kristi Noem has rushed to Portland to save it from the ravages of war she heard about from Trump. Why the Oregon Republican Party even posted a photo of the city on fire on its X account. Only thing, that photo was taken in Ecuador(sp) in 2017. The city Noem rushed to inspect had maybe a dozen protestors making noise at the ICE center. One protestor dressed in a chicken costume invited her down from the roof top for a Subway sandwish. The National Guard troops, however, were busy protecting Voodoo Donuts, standing outside on the sidewalk, donut boxes in hand. "Oh no! They're eating the eclairs! They're eating the donuts!" Clearly these are dangerous times in Portland.

In other news, members of the Texas National Guard have arrived in Chicago to protect it from the massive crime. These members of the Texas NG look like they belong to Meal Team Six; they sure won't be chasing down any brown people, on foot anyway. Hah! Hegseth might have a point about too many fat troops.

Oh, and Chicago just completed a summer with the fewest murders since 1965. I don't think Chicago's crime rate is anything to brag about, but obviously Trump is trying to promote violence, not prevent it.

Federal employees take an oath to support and uphold the Constitution. This has never been a problem until Trump V 2.0. Trump wants to re-make the federal workforce that is absolutely loyal to him, irrespective of the Constitution.

Now federal job applicants are being asked, all the way down to the GS-5 level – that’s like a entry level secretary, office assistant, supply room stocker, etc.

“how they would help advance the president’s Executive Orders and policy priorities.”

Agency missions are prescribed by Congress, not the president. Congress writes the law, or enabling legislation that creates or modifies gov’t. agencies, often with a vague mission statement. So the mission is more specifically articulated in the form of regulations, which are part of federal law, and policies which are developed by the respective agency secretaries and their senior level directors. The job of the federal employee is to work for or help advance the agency mission, whatever that is. Generally the employee does that by completing the tasks assigned by his or her direct supervisor. How should a job seeker answer the stupid question, other than, “I’ll perform my assigned tasks.” But Trump’s loyalty test is for employees to do whatever Trump wants them to, not to perform tasks that are consistent with the agency mission and federal law.

Therefore Trump is an azzwipe. If you voted for Trump, you apparently value loyalty to a fascist dictator over loyalty to America and the US Constitution. Voting has consequences.

At some point those that have reaped the reward of milking the system need to give back and quit taking.
You boomers are screwing up everything for the next generation including the fishing.

Is that why you hate your parents?

Wrong again.
My family has done nothing but promote fish habitat and wildlife on their own dime since I was born.
I imagine the view from the windows of your Olympia house is different.

Don't worry though.
That big capital you see out the window will take care of you and yours.

Money has been taken out of every paycheck I've earned my whole life for social security.

And Medicare.

But you used the phrase, "you boomers," without excluding your own parents from the group. Stereotyping and generalizing is a good way to create misunderstanding.

Hah! Trump commutes the sentence of George Santos!. Big surprise - the con man in chief pardons another con man. What's next? He commutes or pardons Ghislane Maxwell? Birds of a feather. This is what Trump voters voted for. Hope you're satisfied.

He supports blind loyalty. He's telling folks he will cover for whatever they might do so long as they support him without question. Must be nice to know that he has your back.

In response to Saturday's nationwide No Kings protest, Trump posted an AI video of himself wearing a crown piloting a jet and dumping sh!t on protestors in NYC. This is how the US commander in chief conducts himself and respects citizens 1st Amendment rights?

And now the felon-in-chief is demanding that the DOJ that he controls pay him $230 million of your tax paid dollars because DOJ investigated his campaign ties to Russia in the 2016 election (and connections were found, but not linking Trump personally) and for invading his privacy be searching his Mar a Lago home, which was done legally by obtaining a search warrant after he denied taking any secret documents and refused to return them, and the evidence was found there, basically proving his guilt although he was not convicted by a jury due to delays aided by his ball washing judge in Florida. Congrats if you voted for this criminal.

Remember when biden was caught with classifieds,that were taken when he wasn't president and stored next to his vette in the garage? Then not prosecuted because hur realized he was literally a zombie. It wouldn't be new taxpayer money, if hes trying to recoup money he has already paid the doj. Hope this helps the tds salmmy.

Salmo,


Actually you boomers have messed up quite a bit and it’s time for you all to step down and let Gen X and capable millennials take over. As far as social security goes, I can manage my own portfolio and don’t need the government to take my money just to give back to me later and at a much lower return than what I could achieve on my own. It was a bad idea then and is clearly a bad idea now. You shouldn’t lose your social security since you paid into it, but it should be phased out.

You are wrong once again about the number of executive orders issued by Trump you mentioned earlier in another thread. Each of Trump’s presidencies includes far fewer executive orders than many other presidents. Here is the list.

1. Franklin D. Roosevelt: 3,727
2. Woodrow Wilson: 1,803
3. Calvin Coolidge: 1,203
4. Theodore Roosevelt: 1,081
5. Herbert Hoover: 1,003
6. Harry S. Truman: 907
7. William Howard Taft: 724
8. Warren G. Harding: 522
9. Dwight D. Eisenhower: 484
10. Ronald Reagan: 381
11. Bill Clinton: 364
12. Richard Nixon: 346
13. Lyndon B. Johnson: 325
13. Jimmy Carter: 320
14. George W. Bush: 291
15. Barack Obama: 276
16. Donald Trump (first term): 220 and 210 (second term)

This doesn’t seem consistent with your belief that he is a dictator. Clearly, you are wrong about this and you should be formulating more accurate opinions based upon facts and not what the MSM boomer box tells you what to believe. You aren’t just wrong about a lot of things, but you happen to be very wrong. This time is no exception. When you learn to let go of your personal bias, you will begin to see things clearly. I don’t love or hate the guy so I have no bias and can see clearly. He isn’t perfect but certainly isn’t as bad as you claim and doesn’t warrant the reactions that you and other brainwashed leftist normies have.


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Assuming your source is correct, then thank you for pointing out that Trump isn't the leader in EOs. However, that doesn't mean that Trump isn't acting like a dictator. He's consolidated executive power by rendering the GOP Congress into spineless jellyfish - those Republicans who disagree with him won't stand up to him. Trump, through his useful idiot Noem, is turning ICE and HS into a Gestapo police force. By not bothering with warrants - which the law requires - the number of citizens arrested continues to climb. Trump wants to use the military - in violation of federal law - to police cities. It's speculation on my part at this point, but I think he wants to use military policing to control elections in 2026 and 2028. We'll see.

I agree that Congress truly screwed up with SS back in the late 70s when they borrowed from it to supplement the General Fund to reduce national debt increases via promisory notes. It was mismanagement then and remains so, but it's what we're stuck with as a nation. I wouldn't mind a constructive fix. I think it should be put in its own separate fund - or "lock box" - as Bill Clinton referred to it. And there it should be managed by a separate entity like the federal Thrift Savings Plan (TSP) is, where Congress can't touch it. The TSP was created during the Reagan years, and it's been working out very well for federal and military employees.

Federal courts continue ruling against Trump, but Trump just keeps on breaking the law because he doesn't want a "nation of laws," which has defined the US, he wants a nation that kow tows to Trump as the only law. Trump has the DOJ so screwed up it will take years to fix, and then only with successive Democratic administrations - which is dependent on ever having free and fair elections again, which again remains speculative.

Another day, another criminal pardon by Trump, this time his crypto buddy who accepted the Trump family's World Liberty Financial crypto. And did you see the list of donors to Trump's new East Wing ballroom? Corksoakers all.

And what about the Trump/Hegsgeth gambit of blowing up boats they claim are transporting narcotics to the US? With zero evidence revealed. What's the probability that this is all a lie? A lot closer to 100% than 0% unless some clear, cogent, and convincing evidence is revealed.

Congratulations on voting democracy out and autocracy in. I can only hope it bites all Trump voters where it hurts - like the American soybean farmers and cattlemen who voted Trump. The banquet of face eating leopards continues to grow!

I agree with some of what you say regarding some actions taken by the administration such as the questionable lighting up the alleged drug boats instead of interception and seizure. This administration is sending a clear message that drug running is going to dealt with using lethal force. Also used to tweak Maduro's nose. It seems very disingenuous given America's extreme thirst for illicit drugs.

You say:

"those Republicans who disagree with him won't stand up to him. Trump, through his useful idiot Noem, is turning ICE and HS into a Gestapo police force. By not bothering with warrants - which the law requires"

A misnomer that the left (Media, ha) has used as a talking point is that search warrants are required when ICE agents are detaining people based on "Reasonable Suspicion" . Even Washington state law allows for reasonable suspicion detention as long as it is based on the facts and circumstances that would lead an officer to believe a crime as been or will be committed. Remember also that Federal officers follow federal law, not state laws and their restrictions. Blue state laws are usually more restrictive on limiting what police officers are allowed to do. Federal agents have obtained search warrants to raid businesses, etc.

I would love federal troops in crime ridden cities but I fail to see how they can help given the restrictions on their use. It's a waste of time and money. Now if martial law was declared in the high murder rate areas, maybe a round up/crack down would work for a minute. I wouldn't get too paranoid about their use to intimidate the voting process. We have little in person voting here anyway

I also disagree with the narrative that illegals are harmless immigrants that do no harm. When they take resources without an equal return, and have little regard for laws and rules, I have a problem with it. We really need their labor but we have failed to exercise any meaningful control of it. I do believe a more secure border is a good start to get things under control.

While I am at it on this stormy day, lets look at the homeless debacle in this state. It is good to see some progress in how cities are dealing with it. But we really need laws to be able to take control of the some of the feral people that won't accept help. It would be for their own good and the well being of the rest of society that tries to maintain a quality of life. Build more facilities to keep them involuntarily if that is required after they are triaged.

Salmo,


My multiple sources provided the same response and spending 30 seconds researching it would give you the same response. You incorrectly stated in another thread Trump had the most executive orders and insinuated it was a reason for your belief in him being a dictator. You were clearly wrong about that fact and also wrong in assuming he is a dictator.

Partisan politics at play. It is common for each major party to align itself as closely as possible with one another within the party to try and maintain consistency across each party. There will always be some disagreements, but more commonly cohesion, and it definitely isn’t a function of Trump’s actions or his “dictatorness.”

ICE isn’t out there arresting citizens bruh. The only citizens being arrested are for obstruction because your party is fully of blue-haired, rainbow, crazies that interfere with the arrest and deportation of illegal immigrants. Trump has the authority through the Insurrection Act to do this, and use the national guard in cities as it relates to being a national security threat. It’s 100% in response to failed Democrat Policies and their planned and deliberate intent to allow for illegal immigration.

The DOJ was screwed up long before Trump took office, corrupted with people that have strong alliances to the deep state, primarily with the Democratic Party. How did Trump screw up the DOJ when he was the one targeted for phony investigations and indictments during an election time? Classified documents case, election interference, Russia Collusion, etc. How do you explain all these bogus BS attacks on Trump when Biden and Dems were more culpable on similar matters with no investigations, if he supposedly had them in his back pocket?

Something needs to be done to secure our elections. Why are voters in certain states not required to show ID to vote and coincidentally those states also take in large numbers of illegals? It isn’t democracy when American’s wishes are diluted by Democrats allowing illegals into the country as a bribe for their subsequent fraudulent votes. That’s more consistent with autocracy than anything Trump has done and you must have a few screws loose if you are unable to see it. Voter passports? No!!! Vaccine Passports? YES!!! People don’t forget.


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It's beyond funny that the Pedophile-in-chief, who campaigned on releasing the Epstein files is scrambling at breakneck speed to prevent the release of those files. Quite the move to bring ding-bat Congresswoman Bobert into the Situation Room to persuade her to unsign the Discharge Petition. The irrelevance being that the Situation Room - that allows no recording devices - is where issues of vital national security are discussed.

Can't imagine why Trump is trying to hide it. Everyone, save a few MAGA-tards, already knows full well that the president is a rapist and pedophile. No one is shocked or amazed by the information coming out in these files. Unless they've been living under a rock.

Trump has steadfastly and falsely maintained that foreign countries pay for tariffs. But today he signed an executive order ending tariffs on beef, coffee, bananas, cocoa, and other commodities from certain countries to lower prices after voters said they are concerned about the economy. Representative Richard Neal (D-MA), the highest-ranking Democrat on the House Ways and Means Committee, said the administration was “putting out a fire that they started and claiming it as progress.”

And yesterday Trump called for the execution of members of Congress who advised members of the military that they should and must refuse illegal orders. These Congress members were exercising their 1st Amendment right of free speech. Only a wannabe dictator like Trump would call for executing members of government who disagree with him.

Not only is it within the first amendment to say that but they were simply stating the law. You get executed for simply stating the law?

Congratulations to the Trump and MAGA supporters for electing the Liar in Chief, Dictator in Chief, Pedophile in Chief, and Murderer in Chief.

Release the Epstein files! If 1,000 FBI agents have to be assigned to reviewing and redacting sensitive information, it can only mean that Trump is the most often referenced name in those thousands of pages. Release the files already!

Last week Trump said he had no problem releasing the video of the second missile strike on Sept. 2 on the suspected drug trafficking boat. When asked by a reporter this week why the administration hadn't released the video, Trump claimed he didn't say that. For sh!t's sake, Trump has to know he is on videotape saying exactly that. So now the lying sack o' sh!t is backpedaling on an obvious war crime.

Comes now the Trump administration threatening sanctions on the International Criminal Court because they've heard rumblings that in 2029 the president, VP, and Defense Secretary, and other administration officials may be prosecuted for murder and war crimes. Hah, hah! What is it they say; if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Did these administration imbeciles really think there wouldn't be blow back for committing murder on the high seas?

Just because Trump designated alleged drug traffickers as "narco terrorists" doesn't make them so. Prior to Jan. 20, 2025 when the U.S. became the nation of Trumpian whims, the U.S. proudly was a nation of laws. Sane people think the nation should still be. The 87 murder victims of the Trump administration may or may not have been trafficking drugs. If they were transporting drugs, that makes them criminals, not terrorists. Since the Trumpians have provided exactly zero evidence that the boats they attacked were carrying drugs, sane people won't assume they were even criminals. Sure, they might have been, but how could we know, when all we have to go on are the allegations of the most lying administration in U.S. history?

But wait! That's not enough! Now Trump has seized an oil tanker that left a Venezuelan port. Under what authority? There is none! The new Pirates of the Caribbean is the U.S. Navy. That's enough to make Navy veterans vomit.

Hi Salmo.

Yes, hello Salmo!

I find it funny that Salmo continues to make crazy assertions without any basis. Pedophile in chief? Do you you have any evidence he is a pedophile? Trump clearly loves adult women and isn’t a kiddie sniffer like the guy you voted for… the real pedophile.

Bro… you seriously need to take a break from the boomer box and have your internet privileges confiscated. You’re harming himself with BS media consumption. You can be taken more seriously when you address my points in my previous post instead of choosing to ignore them.


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What crazy assertions? If Trump isn't a pedophile, then why is he protecting the Epstein files and not releasing them? As FBI Director Kash Patel said last year, the files aren't being released because of who is in them. There are photos of Trump with young girls on his lap, but it's true, there is no evidence released that he actually raped 14 year olds. But would you put it past him?

And are you ready to deny that Trump ordered murders? Which is what the missile strikes in the Caribbean are if not also war crimes.

Supporting Trump is supporting fascism, full stop; there is no other way to interpret that support.

How do you like Trump's new National Security Strategy (NSS)? Not a single unkind word about Russia or Putin. In fact Putin says this NSS is very much aligned with his (Russia's) interests. Trump wants to undermine the United Nations and NATO. Small minded people might think that's just putting America first. Whereas people with more than half a brain know that an America without allies is a weaker America. Congratulations China! Trump's gonna' help you win!

Lol. Salmo definitely was asleep the past 4 years. As if we didn't get 4 years of president weekend at Bernie biden acting creepy and sniffing children on live tv. Salmo loves diddy partys and supports narcoterrorism and the freeflow of drug distribution around the globe. Heard it on cnn last night. Must be true.

Also goes by Mr. Rosie O’Donnell...

Spoon, if you think Biden is more of a sexual predator than Trump is, then you must limit your information intake to FOX news.

You're making sh!t up saying I support narcoterrorism. The purpose of terrorism is to instill or create fear in a targeted group or population. For instance, the 9/11 attackers committed terrorism by using commercial airliners as bombs, killing a few thousand an creating enough fear in most of the American population to totally change flying with a new agency, TSA.

Drug cartels are just trying to make money, and trafficking illegal drugs is highly profitable. I postulate that Trump is the narcoterrorist by bombing what he alleges are drug carrying boats in hopes that they stop doing it because they fear getting killed. Although illegal, that's not a bad plan if in fact those boats really are carrying drugs. Remember, Trump inc. has refused to produce a single shred of evidence that the boats really are carrying drugs. And if they are carrying drugs, that makes the perps criminals, not narcoterrorists. So it's still illegal to blow the boats out of the water, even if it looks like a cool video game to you. If those boats are carrying drugs, let the USCG interdict them the regular way, like they did last week. Then prosecute and imprison them, so your lord and savoir Trump can pardon them a few weeks or months later, since pardoning criminals is what he does.

Lol. Making stuff up. That is what you do here on the regular Sammy. We actually got to see biden act creepy on TV, on every news station. And how many Americans have died from fentanyl, bad coke/meth, that came from overseas? Id imagine a hell of alot more than 9/11. Right? Then you get designated as a narcoterrorist group and get blown sky high. And you think the us wants to waste taxpayer dollars on imprisoning narcoterrorists, just to pardon them, by trump? That makes a lot of sense Sammy o'Donnel. Reread your last paragraph, you sound either supportive or confused. I cant tell.

Im pretty sure the us knows whats on those boats already. There's only 2 groups of people that operate in international waters on vessels like those. Cartels and pirates. Both should be met with the strongest force this world has ever seen. Im a critic of trump too salmo, but im proud to have a president that is fighting the war on drugs. We've lost too many brothers and sisters from it.

We all know americans and would stop using illicit drugs if only the flow of them could be stopped. Might have to go to huffing gas and chugging cough syrup

One thing we all have in common is a willingness to critique Trump. I have several critiques of him that have basis in fact whereas Salmo’s critiques are almost always $hitty talking points from CNN or MSNBC. Why so basic bruh? Even leftist intellectuals eventually come around… but not Salmo. He basic.


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Wait a second Streamer. I missed the part where any of you MAGAtards criticized Trump for anything. From what I read, you conservatives just keep sucking Trump's dick. Come on, show the libtards your Trump criticism.

Ewww, almost as angry as Rosie now.

Soon as the flooded rivers receded, maybe some fly fishing for therapy perhaps ?

I’m happy to share some criticisms of Trump. First, morally, I don’t think he is the type of person I would look up to, especially given his colorful past of infidelity. I also think he could speak in a more unifying way and not alienate people. Leaders unite and I think there is some improvement that can be made there.

Second, he stated that he would end the Russia/Ukraine war as president-elect before even stepping into the Oval Office. Don’t make promises you can keep. This promise hasn’t been kept, and we should stay out of the war anyway. Speaking of staying out of things, he is pro-Israel and we should stop support for Israel and stay out of the conflict with a Palestine as well.

Third, he hasn’t balanced the federal budget or decreased the deficit. I like the idea with DOGE and cutting frivolous spending, but I would have taken it even farther than he did. He hasn’t distinguished himself from the past presidents who all overspend.

I could list several more criticisms, but what’s the point. You you still miss the big idea that I don’t blindly support Trump. I simply agree with more of his policies than I do with Biden’s, Hillary’s or Obama’s. If there was a more moderate Democrat who supported the 1st and 2nd amendments, was fiscally responsible, and not have a bizarre fixation on social issues, I would probably consider voting for them.



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Trump is actually a dictator... Chosen by the people,, yes but not elected...

Nobody is elected under a rigged election system,, there can only be appointments,, not elections... The locals,, states and federal government has been knowingly certifying fraudulent elections for a very long time...

When you vote,, you are giving your approval,, your permission for them to rig the elections and put in whoever they want,, to pass whatever measures they want via their fraud system...

They are rigging the elections in several different ways so as to have every angle covered...

Trump got in in 2016 because Our Military, working with foreign powers shut down some of the vote rigging mechanism to get him in office,, In 2020 they did not prevent the fraud so that we could see how bad things were,, then in 2024 they stopped the fraud again enough to get him back in to finish the operation...

Streamer,

I appreciate that your support for Trump isn't blind. Trump is amoral, and by itself that's not a disqualifier. It's his despicable scum of the earth nature that makes it impossible for me to even consider giving the azzhole the time of day. He deserves credit for turning the southern border situation around, although his methods are disgusting. Deporting people who are in the country legally isn't making the US more respected among nations. Most of his actions have most of the rest of the world losing respect for the US, but Trump would never know because of the bubble he keeps himself in.

Because you like more of Trump's policies than those of Clinton's, Biden's, or Obamas, you end up supporting a fascist US government. Trump is fascist because he's using his power to control law firms, universities, businesses, and broadcasting media for starters, along with weaponizing the DOJ like no president has ever done. He appoints incompetent people who's main qualification is their unwavering loyalty to him. These things and more are what you support, even if they are unintended consequences from your POV. However, Trumps told us all that he would do these things, so it's not like anyone who voted for him isn't supporting fascism.

If things hadn't gone so far to the left in the democratic party, I don't think the average centrist American would have voted him in. Instead, toxic social media, the villainization and demonization of each side has caused the great divide.

Half truths and outright lies have made this so much worse. In the past both sides have been paralyzed from doing anything effective in areas of border security, the deteriorating large cities, corporate greed, misapplied socialism, etc. We should have health care that is affordable for all. We should have safe cities, we should have truth in causation of social ills, and not just play the blame game but apply resources to fairly create opportunities. In this state they love to say you can't arrest your way out of homelessness. How is that working out?

I'm sure glad we have such high taxation in this state since we all see how well our money is used to solve problems and provide the average tax payer services. Ha!

Good example is the so called climate tax on fuel (besides the new fuel tax). What a joke. Go ahead and look up how that has been spent so far.

I think this state wants us in a perpetual state of paying for all this and then coming to rely on the government for everything.

Yet we not only vote in taxes that hurt us, we don't demand that the ones we didn't vote for get thrown out. What are the metrics to measure the success of any of it?

Okay, rant over. hahahaha

I think I hear ya' Mr. Twister. The Dems certainly come with a lot of negative baggage. However, voting for Trump signals approval and accpetance of a convicted felon as president, a president who tried to overthrow the 2020 election - a step so far out of bounds that ultra right winger Liz Cheny actively campaigned against him. Trump is a dictator and trying to be a dictator when not actually succeeding at it, all while behaving with the emotional maturity of a 13-year old.

And if the Epstein files are a Democratic hoax, why are Democrats and a few Republicans the only ones clamoring for their full release? If Trump has done nothing wrong, what is he hiding, or trying to hide? The logical thought is that Trump not only raped women of legal age, in his sordid past he also raped underage girls. What other possible reason is there for Trump to try so hard to keep this information secret? Since Trump lies more than he tells the truth, cheats, steals, grifts, and bullies routinely, it's not a stretch to accept that he was a serial rapist as well. The guy has zero ethics. Everything is all about "what's in it for Trump," as he throws his former allies under the bus without hesitation. His continuous rage posting in the middle of the night does not suggest that he is even close to being a stable man.

So by voting for Trump, this is what you did support, or still do support unless you want him impeached and removed from office. It's kinda' that simple.

As for WA state politics, it's a mess. Last election we saw that a moderate Republican could be elected governor, if only he wasn't a Trumper. Being a Trump or MAGA Republican is toxic to WA liberal and moderate and independent voters. So we get consistent Democratic leadership that leans too far left, such that we have the most state tax revenue ever, the largest tax increase ever, and the Dems still can't balance the damn budget. How can this be? The simplest explanation is that every Republican leader I have listened to speaks like they have a Trump stripe running down the middle of their backs, so whatever good they might have to offer gets rejected out of hand because the liberals and moderates and conservatives with half a brain have zero tolerance for Trumpism. It just ain't gonna' happen in this state. And a moderate Republican can't make it past the primaries because of the MAGAtards controlling the party.

Wow! I missed this one! I don't generally participate in opinion forums because everyone has a different one, but couldn't resist this time. Trumpanzees is what I call the blind far right idiots who follow Trump. Americans should be constantly criticizing leadership, no matter who or what party in power and not to have to be worried about getting snuffed out. Isn't that called the 1st Amendment of the Constitution? That's our responsibility and obligation. I'm so tired of all the blatant lies that come out of his mouth, and surprised how the dumbasses believe it ALL and continue to support and follow. It's no secret, Republicans in Congress are afraid to say anything against him, even when they know they should. Splineless aholes. Cudo's to MT Green for stepping up and being critical, and hope more do, the rest of his term. Can't wait to see what happens at the mid term elections. Vote the aholes out!
Almost forgot. GO HAWKS!

R&G,

Hmm, if “Trumpanzees” are what you’ve named the far right idiots following Mr. Trump, what’s your pet name for all the non far right folks following him?

Asking for a moderate friend....

Left Wing Loon's!

Happy New Year, and let’s go fish’n .

Agree with the opinions regarding the MAGA movement. Just pointing out there is a causation for how they were created. The far left needs to look in the mirror. That being said, this state is hopeless

Twister,

Just a non-scientific wild azz guess here, but I think both the far right and far left could use a look in that mirror. I come short of fully appreciating the far left's compassion for their fellow citizens, or as we used to call it, "bleeding heart liberals." I don't know if the far left believes it, but they act like there exists such a thing as a free lunch. Economist Milton Friedman proved there isn't, in case anyone actually believed it.

There's no shortage of lunatics, left and right. Cases in point, the MAGAtards who believe (agnostic) Trump was sent by God to save the U.S. How fvckin' idiotic is that? Of course the counterpoint might be the voter who believed that if Obama was elected, he would pay her cell phone bill. Yeah, that's idiotic too.

The best analyses I've read indicates that MAGAtards were created because the Democratic leaders left the blue collar segment of the middle class behind by catering to the educated white collar segment of the middle class. There's lots of evidence pointing to the truthfulness of that argument.

Unfortunately the MAGAtards were conned. Conned by one of the best grifters ever - Trump. Trump campaigns on populist policies that appeal to the "left behind" lower and lower middle class whites, promising to restore family wage middle class manufacturing jobs, either knowing that ain't ever gonna' happen or being as stupid as he often acts. Trump employs the Hitleresq tactic of blaming "others," in this case illegal immigrants, of taking their jobs and buying houses that they could otherwise own. Totally untrue. Illegal immigrants take low paying jobs that whites generally won't do and lower middle class Americans can't afford to do. And illegal immigrants don't buy houses because they can't qualify to or afford to even if they did qualify. But MAGAtards are willfully and conveniently ignorant, or they really are stupid. Probably some of both. It's no wonder Trump loves the uneducated. They are so easily manipulated.

Trump never had any intention of helping "ordinary" middle class white Americans. He doesn't remotely understand or relate to them, having lived his entire life in the bubble of the ultra-rich. Trump is supported financially by other ultra-rich billionaires who don't give a sh!t about average Americans. So he and they formulate policies that benefit the ultra-rich and do little to nothing for middle class Americans. And it's working. The top 10% of Americans account for 50% of the US GDP. Fully 50% of Americans are economically irrelevant to the prosperity of the US economy. That likely includes you and me.

So Trump thinks the economy is doing great, because it is doing well for the rich and ultra-rich and those well invested in the stock market. But more than half of Americans don't have enough extra cash on hand to cover a $400 emergency, living literally paycheck to paycheck. The rising prices that don't affect Trump and his ultra-rich cronies do hurt average Americans, but Trump is incapable of understanding that. Trump relates to and understands grand ballrooms and Gatsby style parties at Mar a Lago.

And switching gears for a moment, WA state is not hopeless. The pendulum swings left and right. Currently it's too far left. The key to balancing it is for the far right to allow moderate Republicans to succeed in primaries. Moderates and independent voters have been waiting for such a candidate for years. The last R gov candidate lost because he is a Trumper. The previous two R gov candidates lost because they were too Catholic, and therefor anti-abortion in this clearly pro-choice state. This state badly needs an Evans style Republican.

Yet, Salmo still won’t vote for any R candidate because he will always find a problem with them.



Streamer

Not true. I've voted for Republican candidates when they were the better choice. It's difficult though because almost every R is anti-abortion and anti-gay rights. Even though I don't have a dog in those fights, those are deal breakers for me. I'll go that far to stand up for the rights of others.

How about you? Do you ever vote for a D candidate, or do you always find a problem with them? The problems must be pretty severe to support a criminal scuz like Trump.

I voted for a Democrat exactly once: Brad Owen for Lt. Governor, back in the day. My car broke down near an elementary school where he was holding an event, and he kindly let me use his cell phone (a rarity back then) to call AAA. On top of that, my wife's dad, a die-hard Republican, was high school friends with him in Tacoma and even voted for him too.

Unlike most democrats, Owen was opposed to abortion, campaigned against drug use and drug legalization and was described as "lukewarm" at best on gay rights.

But then in 2008, King Juan Carlos I of Spain bestowed the Order of Isabella the Catholic, a full-on Spanish knighthood, on Owen. I wrote him a letter explaining that I couldn't support anyone accepting a title of nobility, since it directly violates the Constitution's Title of Nobility Clause. Sure, there's no punishment specified, and yeah, he was nice about the phone and buddies with my father-in-law... but I can't in good conscience vote for a Spanish Knight.

So that's it, the one and only Democrat I ever voted for. Team MAGA just keeps winning!

Salmo,


I have voted for D candidates in the past back when many of them were more moderate. The majority of D’s nowadays have shifted so far left that very few (if any) of their policies appear reasonable. More unreasonable than most Republicans, which is why I tend to vote for the latter.


Streamer

`Streamer, you appear to be saying exactly the inverse of Salmo, and me. In the last couple decades there have been a number of R's that either voted for or wanted to. They got primaried by the further right or moved that way so they wouldn't be primaried.

Same as you see the left; we all seem to be looking for somewhere more fun the middle but both sides go wacko.

CM,

I mostly agree. The difference is the left went further left than the right moving further right. This is evidenced by countless moderates or mild left democrats becoming conservatives. I’ve yet to meet many moderates or light conservatives becoming Democrats.


Streamer

Some Democrats are further left than a few of the further right Republicans, but not many by my observation. And zero Democrats are as far left as Trump is far right fascist. Trump doesn't know jack sh!t about the Constitution because he has no respect for the Constitution nor the rule of law. He wants, and looks like he has, a Cabinet and administration that is absolutely loyal to him over and above any loyalty they may have ever had for the Constitution or the rule of law. The U.S. has entered a phase where the only law is whatever Trump's says it is under his current whim, which is subject to change at any time. Trump has implemented several actions that fall under the label of fascism. No Democrat or any Republican has ever done so. Opposing Trump is the only option open to an American opposed to a fascist takeover of the U.S.

All wrong and not substantiated with anything other than your opinions. The far-right end of the spectrum to include fascism means that there must be an equal part of far leftism on the opposite side. If Trump is the far right as you claim, there must be an equal far left. Claiming there are no Democrats this far left would almost deny its existence which is clearly untrue.

I also would not place Trump as a far-right fascist. There are plenty of people who hold positions that are more far right than Trump, including Hitler, thus the constant comparisons to Hitler despite clearly having several degrees of separation.

Your observations are also anecdotal and also subject to your echo chamber you don’t step out of. Go talk to people bro. You should try to be more well-rounded.


Streamer

Why must there be an equal distribution?

CM,


If fascism is a segment of the far right, then communism could be seen as a segment of the far left. Are you also one of those crazies that believes there is no such thing as the extreme left? Or are you blind to believe that one is worse or more extreme than the other?


Streamer

Not at all. I believe that the left includes communists and socialists and so on. My quastion was why you think that the two extremes have equal numbers.

We have seen that both extremes are capable of extreme evil; one would have to be blind not to see that.

CM,


To answer your question, because both sides (R and D) have roughly the same numbers and a 50/50 split within the population. I think personality types and the influence of society and culture tend to distribute pretty evenly across this spectrum in terms of numbers when scaled outward. I would actually hypothesize there are more people far left than far right but not by much.


Streamer

Aha, so your evidence is largely anecdotal opinion as well. But really, do we need to quibble about society as a binomial distribution and which side has more extremists?

Trump is a fascist. However, fascism is not the most extreme right wing position. Anarchy, the total absence of government, therefore the "smallest" government that conservatives claim to want, is the most extreme right wing position.

Meanwhile, Trump supports the contention that he is a fascist. Just yesterday in his speech he complainingly asked "what is wrong with the public?" Apparently some of his inside advisors had enough guts to inform him that his popularity is not at 90% after all. Trump says he has the "right" policy. He wondered aloud why he/they even have to run against Democrats (who have all the "wrong" policies, in elections. He would like to cancel elections, but then people would call him a dictator, he said.

Trump's actions have concentrated most of the government's power in himself and the executive branch, pushing the Congress and courts to the wayside. Hard to be more of a dictator than this. Trump is concentrating power among himself and billionaire corporate elites. He's exacting tribute (a % of gross trade) from certain companies for the privilege he's allowing them to do business. He's trying to stifle news media that criticizes him and has exacted tribute from ABC, NBC, and CBS broadcasters (another story in itself.). He's stifling academic freedom because it doesn't align with his worldview. It's hard to be more fascist than these examples indicate.

In addition to being a fascist, Trump is batsh!t crazy, as exemplified by his kidnapping of Venezuelan president Mauduro. First it was about the fentanyl, but Venezuela doesn't traffic fentanyl, Mexican cartels do. So Trump commits war crimes by bombing boats coming from Venezuela that may, or may not, have been trafficking drugs, but we'll never know since no evidence was provided or collected. Then Trump kidnaps the (illegitimate) president of a sovereign country because he wants the oil that he alleges Venezuela "stole" from the U.S. This is insane on so many levels, where to begin.

Venezuela has oil. Therefore it belongs to Venezuela, and the country or its businesses can sell oil on the global market. Some U.S. oil companies invested in developing the oil industry in Venezuela. Venezuela nationalized its oil industry in 1976. That was the country's prerogative. When a company does business in another nation, it does so under the best deal it can arrange in that country. There are no guarantees. And the U.S. government has no duty nor obligation to intervene in the business and affairs of other sovereign nations. Oil companies took a business risk, and they lost, end of story. Unless you're an oil industry hedge fund billionaire who bought the failing Citgo - Venezuela's main oil company - for pennies on the dollar, and donated millions to Trump's campaign and otherwise sucked him off enough to get him to stage a military invasion and kidnapping to further the billionaire's business interests.

Now Trump the imbecile says he runs Venezuela. Venezuela's interim president says he doesn't and is acting kinda' like Mauduro by detaining journalists who wrote or broadcasted positively about the American invasion. What is Trump's plan? By all indications he doesn't have one beyond staging the kidnapping.

Trump wants Greenland. For national security, allegedly. Greenland in a territory of Denmark (for 300 years or so). Denmark is a member of NATO. So the U.S. already has a defense pact with Greenland through NATO. If the U.S. takes Greenland by force, Trump breaks with NATO, and under Article 5 the U.S. would become the wartime enemy of all NATO countries. By taking Greenland, Trump would basically be declaring war against most of Europe. Most of Europe would then be at war with the U.S. How smart is your genius Trump?

Yeah, Trump is a fascist. He doesn't understand the Constitution and ignores it. He has no respect for the law. He acts like the law is whatever he wants it to be, based on his current whim, subject to arbitrary change, of course. Trump breaks or defys U.S. law and tradition daily, and breaks international norms in between. This is what you voted for. Because Biden/Harris bad. Hah!

*Yawn*… TLDR. Don’t you get tired of your bullschit ramblings?

That’s still an opinion you have there Somali Salmo.

“In response to multiple authors claiming that the then-presidential candidate Donald Trump was a fascist, a 2016 article for Vox cited five historians who study fascism, including Roger Griffin, author of The Nature of Fascism, who stated that Trump either does not hold or even is opposed to several political viewpoints that are integral to fascism, including viewing violence as an inherent good and an inherent rejection of or opposition to a democratic system.”

John Fetterman, a longtime Democratic and critic of Trump also agrees where he “criticized the usage of the term fascist by his own party, arguing that it didn't reflect any politicial reality.”

Yeah wake up bro. He isn’t a fascist. Only in your embellished, hyperbolic and ill-conceived opinion.


Streamer




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_and_fascism#:~:text=Trumpism%20heavily%20features%20authoritarian%20elements,Trump%20as%20authoritarian%20and%20populist.

No doubt that! The difference is most would not let them get elected as president and allow them to stay if elected. Those party factions are generally kept in check. Most would open their eyes and ears to what BS is going on, call out loudly to oust the extremist on either side. I have trouble understanding the blind denial of what's currently going on and how followers don't question or protest? MT Green comes to mind again. Where are the others! Wimps! Oh, it's because death and career threats of opposition is the only way to keep them in check and hold the power. If that isn't fascism what is? Get out and catch some steel. Some of the best hatchery returns their have been in years.

Trump posted a picture of himself as acting president of Venezuela.

Trump doesn't want to use the money from selling Venezuelan oil to reimburse oil companies whose property was seized by Chavez in 2008. He wants to put all the Venezuelan oil money in his own off shore bank account.

Trump changed the White House website to state that Jan. 6, 2021 was a peaceful protest made violent by the Capital police.

Trump wants Greenland, either the "easy way or the hard way." Presumably the dumb fvcker knows that Greenland, via Denmark, is a NATO member. Under Article 5, a U.S. attack on Greenland would start a war with all NATO nations. And technically speaking, a war with the U.S. as well, although such an attack would likely result in the expulsion of the U.S. from NATO. Even a few Republicans are pushing back at Trump's idiocy.

Yeah, Trump's no fascist, no dictator.

Soft agreement here. The difference is that most people wouldn’t go as far as to call Trump a fascist. If he was truly a fascist, he would have been kept “in check” as you said and not actually elected.

This whole fiasco with ICE isn’t the problem. It’s the inevitable messy cleanup of the prior administration that had completely open borders that allowed millions of illegal immigrants to come into the country and provide incentives for them to do so. Please name me 1 other country in the world that allows this to happen.


Streamer

These funds are being deposited into U.S.-controlled bank accounts, including a primary/main account located in Qatar. This is not his own personal off shore bank account. The funds are intended to benefit the Venezuelan people (e.g., humanitarian aid, rebuilding infrastructure like the oil sector, purchasing U.S. goods such as equipment, medicine, or food) and potentially the American people by buying American-made products/services to support Venezuela's recovery, with U.S. firms potentially involved in rebuilding PDVSA (Venezuela's state oil company) infrastructure. The setup keeps the funds out of reach of Venezuela's government and creditors for now, prioritizing stabilization over debt repayment. No dictator or fascism involved here.

Does anyone other than Trump have control of the money deposited in Qatar? If not, then yes to dictator and fascist.

The funds are in the name of the US government via the Treasury Department. Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent together effectively hold signatory control and decision-making authority over disbursements, not Trump so I guess by your rubric he is not a dictator or fascist. Bessent has described the US as "the bankers here; we don’t direct the funds," this means the Treasury oversees and manages the accounts, with disbursements directed back into Venezuela (e.g., for food, medicine, government operations, security, or exchange via private Venezuelan banks). So the account is under US government authority and Trump is the head of the US government but Trump does not have direct control over the money so it is not true what you said that this money is in "his own off shore bank account."

Somali Salmo has been wrong about a lot lately…



Streamer

"so I guess by your rubric he is not a dictator or fascist."

That Trump doesn't own and control the accounts personally doesn't mean he isn't a dictator or fascist. It only means that his minions have signatory control, and his minions are all sycophants. So Trump effectively controls the money.

Salmo,


It seems like you continue to be proven wrong on this topic of Trump being a fascist. As I often do with you, I have to repeat myself because you are forgetful, but many scholars have determined that Trump does not fall into the category of fascism. The only people who believe that are nasty, weird, blue-haired freaks, and deranged boomers like yourself who take CNN as the gospel. Don’t believe me? Take a minute to probe any of the people in the crowds at the anti-ice protests. It really speaks for itself.



Streamer

Are you kidding me? Trump has control of everything! Through his exec. orders, directives, or fist hand. Those that don't follow are ousted. Wacko trumpanzee support no matter what, I guess. You sounded smarter than that.

*Sigh*…


This post above really proves my point. I don’t think RUNnGun is a blue-haired wacko, but he likely falls into the category of deranged boomer who watches too much CNN. There are plenty of people in Trump’s cabinet who have not followed or agreed with his positions fully, including recent former Democrats. If one was not so cynical and beguiled by the pervasive, hateful rhetoric pushed by media and the opposition and able to be more objective, they wouldn’t make such statements.


Streamer

Possibly Officially pretty soon.. "Trump Is A Dictator"

He is appointed now,, a dictator now...

Its the only way to clean this country up,, via a military intervention...

Trump was put into power by the Military...

Once the corporate government figures out that Trump was installed by the Military they are really going to try and fight back...

Once Trump Declares the Insurrection Act its game on... You will see the state and local governments in the Blue States start to fight for their lives because they will know that the jig is up...

This has always been the intent,, to force the corporate government entities to expose themselves,, to destroy themselves...

Cadet Bone Spurs, aka Dictator Trump, is certifiably insane. Here's some cut & paste from H.C. Richardson's Letters from an American:

"Late last night, Nick Schifrin of PBS NewsHour posted on social media that the staff of the U.S. National Security Council had sent to European ambassadors in Washington a message that President Donald J. Trump had already sent to Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Støre of Norway. The message read:

“Dear Jonas: Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America. Denmark cannot protect that land from Russia or China, and why do they have a ‘right of ownership’ anyway? There are no written documents, it’s only that a boat landed there hundreds of years ago, but we had boats landing there, also. I have done more for NATO than any other person since its founding, and now, NATO should do something for the United States. The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland. Thank you! President DJT”

Faisal Islam of the BBC voiced the incredulity rippling across social media in the wake of Schifrin’s post, writing: “Even by the standards of the past week, like others, I struggle to comprehend how the below letter on Greenland/Nobel might be real, although it appears to come from the account of a respected PBS journalist… this is what I meant by beyond precedent, parody and reality….” Later, Islam confirmed on live TV that the letter was real and posted on X: “Incredible… the story is actually not a parody.”

International affairs journalist Anne Applebaum noted in The Atlantic the childish grammar in the message, and pointed out—again—that the Norwegian Nobel Committee is not the same thing as the Norwegian government, and neither of them is Denmark, a different country. She also noted that Trump did not, in fact, end eight wars, that Greenland has been Danish for centuries, that many “written documents” establish Danish sovereignty there, that Trump has done nothing for NATO, and that European NATO members increased defense spending out of concern over Russia’s increasing threat.

This note, she writes, “should be the last straw.” It proves that “Donald Trump now genuinely lives in a different reality, one in which neither grammar nor history nor the normal rules of human interaction now affect him. Also, he really is maniacally, unhealthily obsessive about the Nobel Prize.” Applebaum implored Republicans in Congress “to stop Trump from acting out his fantasy in Greenland and doing permanent damage to American interests.” “They owe it to the American people,” she writes, “and to the world.”

Former Vice President Dick Cheney’s doctor Jonathan Reiner agreed: “This letter, and the fact that the president directed that it be distributed to other European countries, should trigger a bipartisan congressional inquiry into presidential fitness.”"

Is Trump really so fvckin' stupid that he doesn't know Norway and Denmark are not the same countries or governments? Greenland is not a government sub-division of Norway. And the government of Norway has no control of the Nobel Committee.

Trump is a traitor. Here's why: Ukraine was suspicious that the U.S. was sharing intelligence with Russia. So Ukraine devised a test by creating a piece of false intelligence and shared it only with their U.S. intelligence counterparts. Sure enough, that false information showed up with Russian intelligence as observed by a Ukrainian spy. Trump cannot be trusted, but I figured that was already general knowledge to most people.

For you MAGA cult members, MAGAtards, and Trump sycophants, is there any action that Trump could take that would cross the line of acceptability? Maybe he really could shoot a person on Fifth Avenue and you would still vote for him. What would he have to do to lose your support? Can Trump do no wrong in your eyes? Would you be OK with him raping your wife or killing your child? Would that be a step too far for you to support?

Trump was given the Nobel Prize by the winner Venezuelan opposition leader, Maria Corina Machado (here is a liberal accepable source for you: https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/16/politics/nobel-peace-prize-trump-machado). The letter is more classic Art of the Deal hustle to buy Greenland. Denmark will see this and think he is crazy so it ups the pressure to make a deal. Crack a book. Lets see so far Trump has not yet shot anyone on 5th Ave, raped my wife or killed my child, however he has closed the border, deported a lot of dangerous illegals, got inflation down, boomed the stock market with economic growth, reduced crime including largest one-year drop in homicides on record, boosted record energy production, peace deals/ceasefires (in Gaza and elsewhere), massive bureaucracy cuts (via DOGE and layoffs), strikes on drug traffickers and on top of that everything he says makes leftists angry. Team MAGA just keeps winning.

Awwwwwwwooo, and over the cliff we go with Rich.

“Trump was put into power by the Military...”

That’s a big jump into the Black Hole of credibility, and possibly your Bigfoot tales with it....

Good Luck and best wishes in your future hunts.

I wonder if Trump is reading this thread? He is now calling himself a Dictator...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2026/01/sometimes-you-need-dictator-trolling-trump-dominates-davos/

I have been continually popping into this thread confirming that Trump is actually appointed,, is a dictator and you guys are not paying that much attention... I know this because I have some inside information...

Now Trump jokingly confirms himself as a Dictator,, but is he really joking? Trump knows that our elections are rigged and nobody is actually elected...

Who helped Trump win a couple rigged elections? The Military of course,, so logically Trump was installed by the Military...

Well now Rich, ain’t what we all say .

“ I know this because I have some inside information”

Except’n when it comes to fishing holes...

In furtherance of his dictatorial ambitions, this last weekend Trump announced that his administration should "take over" the elections in at least 15 states. Apparently he means any state where Democrats might win. Trump's announcement followed the win in the Texas special election for a state senator by the Democratic candidate. The D won by 14 points in a district that Trump won by 17 points just over a year ago. Whenever a D wins, the Republicans claim "election fraud" as if no one would choose a D over an R candidate. Or just maybe, the Latinos who voted for Trump in 2024 are now regretting that decision and crossed the street to vote for the D candidate.

In any event, "taking over elections" is expressly prohibited by the U.S. Constitution, not that Trump has ever read it or cares in the slightest about it. As Trump continues to insist that he won "by a lot" the 2020 election, knowing in fact that he lost, it can't help but be interesting to see what Kash Patel's FBI finds from their raid of Georgia's 2020 election ballots that have already been counted three times, a first count and two recounts. Will the FBI, under Patel, suddenly find the 11,870 Trump votes that Trump asked, basically demanded that Rathsenburger find for him?

November 2026 is gonna' be interesting as Dictator Trump works to ensure Republican election victories, regardless of who the voters choose.

Give it a rest, Salmo. There’s literally thousands of fraudulent ballots that all coincidentally happen to be in swing states (and others). There were also open borders where illegal immigrants were shuffled into swing states and laws changed that don’t require having to show an ID to vote. You have to be delusional to not see the need for some type of election reform. You may be book smart about fisheries science but clearly you lack street smarts and awareness to politics.

What type of accountability is there (or should be there) for states that are not following their own voting laws that have national implications? Probably nothing. Democrats don’t believe in accountability. Only orange man bad.



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Wow what a total bunch of BULL
Trumpys gang filed about SIXTY different election related law suits and did not win any. Most were tossed out as frivolous .

The pusslicken party loves the juice from trumpys puss oozing sores. Wow.

The courts are notorious for not wanting to be involved in election related suits. It isn’t necessarily due to any lack of evidence.

You seem really bothered by this. Why so angry bruh? Where did Trump touch you? Oh… he only hurt your little feelings? Get over yourself.

As much as I hate Democrats, I don’t carry your level of animosity toward them. I pity them for they know little of what they speak. Chill out bruh and be more concerned about things that really matter.



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Literally thousands of fraudulent ballots? Really? Where are they? Dems and Republicans alike searched high and low for them in 2021 following the accusations of fraud. Even Republicans, sane ones at least, admit there were damn few. And the few that were found were almost all cast for Republican candidates, including Trump. Only a handful, or less, fraudulent ballots had been cast for Dems.

Thousands of illegal immigrants, yes, but again, the evidence indicates that less than a handful of them voted. The MAGAtards have had over five years to produce solid evidence, or even weak evidence, and they have come up with zilch.

I'm not opposed to requiring valid ID to register to vote, so long as it steers clear of the "poll tax" variety, which is illegal. Hell, I'm open to requiring an IQ of 95 or higher to be eligible to vote to weed out the cretins from voting. I used to think that would affect both parties about equally, but now I've come to think it would hurt the Republicans more, what with so many MAGAtards in the U.S.

You say you don't think all that highly of Trump, but you're coming off as a full on kook aid swilling election denying Trumptard. Your political awareness isn't looking too bright if you think Trump isn't a grifter, a rapist, or that his felony convictions are only BS.

Let's fact check this claim:

"US says it has returned to Venezuela all $500 million of initial oil sale

WASHINGTON, Feb 3 (Reuters) - The United States has now returned to the Venezuelan government all $500 million from the initial sale of oil that was part of a deal reached between Caracas and Washington last month, a U.S. official said on Tuesday. The last $200 million from the sale has been sent to Venezuela, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity..."

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/...-us-2026-02-04/

oh lmao Salmo wrong as usual.

Too bad Salmo is senile and can’t seem to recall all of the fact checking since his decline started a year or two ago. But we all notice it and Pepperidge Farm remembers. “Some people don’t forget!”



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Toy Boat,

Betcha can’t say that three times without a pawz - unless one’s from the Green Lake zip !

If true, that's cool. Initially it was reported that Trump had the money deposited in a bank in Qatar (why not a bank in the U.S.?) and controlled by him. That doesn't mean Trump isn't a crook 99% of the time.

Here is what you keep missing, Salmo. This is another example of you being proven wrong. I think in the last year or so, both myself and Fish Prince have proven you wrong an endless amount of times. You’ve been disproven more than anyone on this board except for maybe Rich G or Evo. You do post a lot more than most here which would increase the number of times you are likely to be wrong, but for being an educated man, I’d expect you to be a bit more accurate about things you claim.

Thinking Trump is a crook 99% of the time is an embellishment and a form of catastrophizing. I’ve made it clear I don’t love the guy but I will defend him to the extent that plebs and simps like you hate on him a bit more than what he truly deserves. Your focus is exclusively on him when larger or similar sized problems are everywhere but are never the focus. At least be consistent bruh.



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Proven? By what standard? A preponderance of evidence? Clear, cogent, and convincing evidence? FP cited Reuters as his source. I thought Reuters is MSM (main stream media), i.e., "fake news." Where do you MAGAtards get your "non-fake" information? Twitter? Instagram?

I may have gotten a couple conclusions wrong on this forum, because I don't care enough about the Dark Side to re-check every item. The Dark Side is for entertainment and the only place I know of to interact with kool aid swilling Trump guzzlers.

lol. A couple wrong salmo? You're like 98% wrong, all the time. And you dont care enough about the ds? Dude you're tds keeps you here 24/7.

Yes, you have been proven wrong by a preponderance of evidence about lots of things, including this very thread about Trump being a dictator. Multiple historical scholars have stated Trump doesn’t fall into the category of a dictator, and doesn’t meet the actual definition of a dictator. Please review evidence from earlier in this thread.

But this thread isn’t the only one. You posted so much fukkin non-sense about covid-19 and vaccines. You even admitted this then you hid behind the “best available science at the time” which the rest of us were calling bullschit on. But at least you acknowledged being wrong about it.

You have also been frequently wrong about things politically. You were wrong on the characterization of Charlie Kirk, etc. Start going back and read these threads bro. Either myself or Fish Prince especially have repeatedly shown evidence proving you are wrong or at the very least providing substantially stronger arguments and you’ve provided no evidence. Every… fukkkin… time.



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Is Trump not trying to control media? Is he not using his FCC stooge to try to take critics Kimmel and Colbert off the air? Calls any media outlet that isn't sucking him off "fake news," aided and abetted by MAGA cultists on this very forum. Media control is front and center on the stage of dictatorship. Isn't Trump trying to control course content and which professors are hired at major universities? That's a dictatorial attribute.

Isn't Trump contemptuous of the Constitution and Rule of Law? That's consistent with Dictatorial ambitions. Isn't Trump trying to control the 2026 election, in direct conflict with the Constitution? Again, it's what dictators do.

Oh look, it's America's two favorite millionaire hall monitors: Stephen Colbert and Jimmy Kimmel still pretending they're edgy late-night rebels while slowly bleeding out in front of an audience that's mostly on blood thinners. Colbert pulls in a whopping 2.545 million total viewers; impressive until you realize that's roughly the same as a rainy Tuesday episode of The Price is Right. Kimmel clocks in at 2.013 million, which is makes him the lesser late night dinosaur. Together they dominate the 11:35 slot, if your definition of "dominate" is splitting a dying pie three ways with Jimmy Fallon.

But here's the real comedy: their prized 18-49 demographic, you know the only ones advertisers care about? Colbert gets 229,000. Kimmel gets 230,000. That's it. Nine percent of their audience is actually young enough to still have functioning knees and a future. The rest? Boomers and upper-middle-class wine aunts who clap for the 47th Trump joke like it's their first, but they probably don't remember it's not their first with the foggy vino memory.

Financially? These clowns are absolute disasters. Colbert's show costs ~$100 million a year to produce (including his $15-20M salary) and loses $40 million annually. That's right, he's running the most expensive anti-Trump therapy circlejerk in television history. Kimmel isn't much better, pulling in just $46 million in ad revenue while burning through similar overhead. They're not just losing money, they're setting it on fire while lecturing you about climate change.

And now the market is finally euthanizing them. Colbert's show is getting cancelled in May 2026 after years of declining ratings and brutal financial losses. Kimmel is next, he's just the one still pretending the ventilator isn't beeping. Streaming, YouTube, TikTok, and podcasts ate their lunch. Turns out young people don't want to watch two rich, smug, out-of-touch Hollywood elites spend 20 minutes monologuing about how evil half the country is, followed by a softball interview with a celebrity who agrees with them.

They went from cultural powerhouses to expensive nostalgia acts faster than you can say "woke bubble." The audience fragmented, the ads dried up, and the smug superiority didn't age well. Late-night is dying, and these two are the poster boys for why. The revolution will not be televised on CBS or ABC. it'll be on your phone, and it won't include 15 minutes of Trump hair jokes.

Salmo considers Kimmel and Colbert valid news sources which he probably watches after his hours long binges of CNN from his boomer recliner just to get a small variety to feel well-rounded and to feel convinced he lacks any confirmation bias. Neither of those two clowns have a shred of credibility. Add whacko Hollywood elite guest to make a dig at Trump and now he’s fully convinced!

Birds of a feather…


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Yeah, I don't stay up for 11:30 anything. But I have seen a few of their 10 minute monologues on You Tube where they tear into Trump, and that does make me laugh. But tell me, if the late night clowns are so culturally and economically irrelevant, why does Trump expend the energy to censor? His fragile ego seems easily threatened. Sicking his FCC clown on late night entertainers who you say are bleeding out is beyond petty. And again, censoring media is priority number one for a dictator, and is the subject you choose to ignore.

Not my news source, but tell me please, where do you get your "non fake" news?

I listen to everything including CNN, FOX, ABC, etc. because I value objectivity…realizing that both sides misrepresent or spin the news. Most importantly, I listen to debates, interviews, and analysis from everything. Then I use discernment to determine what is probably true and what sounds like embellishment or BS. It’s pretty easy to tell what is being reported or discussed objectively and what is being discussed or shared with bias.

It works pretty well. You should try it. But that might mean accepting the likelihood of you being wrong about something and having your conventional beliefs challenged. That seems hard for you.




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Not hard at all. I change my opinion whenever I'm presented with better information. At my age, I've honed a pretty refined BS meter. The most objective newspapers in the U.S. used to be the Wall Street Journal and The Christian Science Monitor. But the WSJ's objectivity disappeared with the Murdoch purchase, and I don't even know if the CSM is still in business. CNN used to be the more objective of the MSM, but has recently shifted to the right. The other MSM are decidedly left, and it shows, but at least they aren't the ball washers that FOX is. And then there's Newsmax, which totally gargles Trump's balls or whatever is hanging in his scrotum. Political debates are such a joke that they would flunk out in any high school debating forum. Interviews are better, but usually too softball to reveal much more than the interviewee's evasiveness. Analysis is usually best, but it too comes filtered through a biased lens.

Does this mean that you're admitting that Trump is more likely than not, a sex offender? Yesterday it was revealed that Trump's name appears over one million times in the half of the Epstein files that have been released. Pretty good for a guy who claims he hardly knew the guy.

How about a quick fact check. Jamie Raskin alleged this and it hasn’t been proven. He also doesn’t have a stellar reputation. But I don’t count on you to be honest or factual. Just repeat what has been reported by a left wing scum in the left wing rags.



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Raskin reported it. I don't know if anyone else has yet confirmed it. Has anyone claimed or alleged that it's not true?

Not sure why or where Raskin is on the "scum" scale. I've read that he's the best Constitutional scholar in all of Congress, and I've not heard of anyone contesting that. Have you?

Are you alleging that Trump hasn't committed sex crimes? Mind you, he lost a civil suit for sexual assault. You haven't come out and said it straight up, but you've got to great lengths defending Trump, who, if he isn't guilty of it himself, is clearly covering up for sexual predators. How can you associate yourself with such a piece of sh!t?

Have you watched any of the House Judiciary hearings? Bondi and Patel have been caught in straight up lies. That's the kind of people Trump hires.

So no actual evidence of this. Only his word. Got it.



I don’t fully defend Trump. I’ve actually condemned him for how he has treated women and his conduct related to women. I think he’s a shitbag for that. Multiple times I’ve actually shared my criticisms of Trump (you simply forget and just mislabel me as ball washing MAGA because you are old and senile.) But as I’ve said before, I’m voting for the president, not a personal pastor. I voted for whose policies most closely align with mine, which is why I’ve reluctantly voted for Trump in this election. I never voted for him in the previous elections.

We also don’t know if he’s covering up for sexual predators. If he is, throw the book at him. We must err on the side of giving the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise with actual evidence. There is no evidence yet, and last I checked our courts in the US are predicated on the idea of innocent until proven guilty.



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As an Independent thinker and voter, I have come up with an unscientific observation among family and friends, quite a few of each. Mixed, are Trump lovers and haters, with a few in between. It seems the smartest of the group hate him and the dumbest/stupid love him. When I say smart, I don't mean just college book smart. I mean genetic smarts. Dumb/stupid are the losers of the group.
Definition: Stupid
adjective
Slow to learn or understand; obtuse.
Tending to make poor decisions or careless mistakes.
Marked by a lack of intelligence or care; foolish or careless.
"a stupid mistake."

It has been a struggle for me to hang with the dumbest of the group because of there blind faith in Trump and his administration. The smartest at least are able to admit when they were wrong.

While my observations are anecdotal at best, I notice a different trend. I talk to all kinds of people and have a large network of people that I talk with about different things. Here is what I notice.

Very high IQ folks I have spoken with are a mix, but mostly tend to lean conservative. They also try to avoid talking politics. I’ve never met a highly intelligent leftist, but I know there are some out there.

High IQ tends to be a mix but mostly conservative. They consistently provide sound and solid arguments that are almost bullet proof. I also have lots of left leaning friends in this category who I talk politics with regularly and utilize to keep my own arguments sharp. They provide challenging and convincing arguments and force me to be accurate about my claims. They are capable of providing valid counter-arguments and claims unlike the majority. Ultimately, I value accuracy and truth which prevails in my arguments and disqualifies theirs.

Majority (exceptions of course) of people who are mid level IQ and intelligence in this region tend to politically lean left. (IQ 85-115 or one standard deviation + or -) Their discussions of things related to politics have an average level of understanding and can provide arguments, occasionally with evidence or examples to support their claims, but often lack depth when pushed or challenged. This is most common.

Lower IQ tends to be more of a mix. Lots of Trump tards who believe in fake news and regurgitate things that are non-sense and untrue. There are also lots (probably more) of emotionally driven leftists incapable of having discussions without yelling, screaming, or justifying violence. Their arguments are terrible and understanding of politics and just about anything else in life seems poor. They lack meaning, purpose and discipline in their lives.

The very low IQ peeps are also a mix but are mostly Trump tard rednecks and hillbillies.

So basically a large portion of the middle spectrum is your democrats and leftists. The ends of the spectrum are mostly conservatives.


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Thank you for your anecdotal observations. I honestly got a real good laugh reading it. I don't talk to "all kinds of people," probably because I don't get out that much, except to go fishing or hiking. The laughing part is because of the very high IQ people I mingle with or run across, about 85 to 90% lean liberal. The high IQ people also lean left, but something less than the 85% range. The mid range and lower are scattered all over, which I take to explain why a charlatan like Trump can win an election.

Trump had his lawyers file at the U.S. Patent Office to trademark his name, including "Donald J. Trump International Airport" and so forth. He's been bugging to get his name on Dulles International Airport and Penn Station in NYC. So now if Congress were to change the name at Dulles, the gov't. would have to pay a license fee to Trump. Maybe not a dictator every day, but always the grifter. Then again, Trump's OMB Director Russel Vought took $15 million from the U.S. Treasury to pay for personal security. Perhaps the gov't wasn't providing him enough (in his opinion), I don't know. But he isn't entitled to grab public funds and put them in his private account. Now that is something that dictators do.

Rut RO! Tantrum time by the Pres! Supreme Court Strikes Down Sweeping Tariffs! Choose your media outlet for what you want to hear the facts from but it doesn't matter! Payback time $$$ is going to be magic bitch. WTF is wrong with justices BK, CT, and SA, who voted against it? Pure loyalists bastards! IMO, Trump is going to slowly lose control of everything he and his administration thought they had, from now on. The mid term elections are going to be very interesting. Unless he fs with the voting system next, which will probably be the case.

RE teh Supremes decision. DT immediately raised more tariffs. Will he respect the decision or just ignore it? Are we ruled by law?"

Trump, by his ranting and actions yesterday, clearly has no understanding of or concern about the Constitution nor the rule of law. He only understands the "rule of Trump."

The Supreme Court ruled that President Trump exceeded his authority by imposing sweeping global tariffs under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA), a 1977 law meant for addressing foreign threats during national emergencies. Immediately after the ruling, Trump announced and signed a new 10% global tariff on imports from all countries, invoking Section 122 of the Trade Act of 1974 (a rarely/never-used provision allowing temporary tariffs up to 15% for 150 days to address international payments problems or trade imbalances). There are also existing tariffs not affected by this decision, surviving non-IEEPA tariffs such as those under Section 232 (national security) or Section 301 (unfair trade practices).

Read the decision you constitutional scholars, a key quote from Kavanaugh's dissent: "In essence, the Court today concludes that the President checked the wrong statutory box by relying on IEEPA rather than another statute to impose these tariffs." Trump himself praised Kavanaugh's dissent highly after the ruling, calling him a "new hero" and highlighting how it shows viable paths forward. That's exactly what Trump acted on by quickly pivoting to Section 122 of the Trade Act of 1974 for the new 10% global tariff announced hours later.

Thank you for the diligence, FP. Democrats and never Trumpers will construe this as “see Trump is still trying to illegally impose tariffs!” … without reading the fine print.


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Go to: https://www.justice.gov/epstein go past the i'm not a robot and I'm 18. Type Trump into the search box 5,240 results then you can click through and look at the docs its just talking about trump and places emailing him election predictions. So it's an outright lie that there are one million mentions of his name, it's 5,240 and it's scummy and false to insinuate that there is anything incriminating about Trump in there. Go look yourself and come back with a single incriminating thing about Trump in there. I'll wait.

Looks like more evidence proving Salmo was wrong and peddling misinformation.



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I will say it again... "Trump is a Dictator"


A dictator is exactly what we need right now...

When your elections are rigged and knowingly legally ratified/certified as knowingly rigged elections than no one is actually elected but appointed... In this circumstance it is possible for the peoples choice to win which is exactly what happened with Trump three times... It just so happens that a coalition subverted the rigging process,, hijacked it and installed the peoples choice twice out of three... The middle time in 2020 the fraud was aloud to triumph on purpose so that we could all see it,, mostly in retrospect... Future will prove past...

I just reported what Raskin said. If he said one million when it is only 5,000, that's the first time I've ever heard Raskin be so far off the mark.

Not an outright lie, but a wild azz guess that Trump is in the files a million times. It's abundantly clear to all but the dimmest walking the planet that Trump is covering for someone. That someone could be a close associate, or someone who has incriminating evidence on Trump, or most likely, Trump himself. His actions make it abundantly clear that he cares about no one other than himself. There is no one he wouldn't throw under the bus to protect himself. As long as he won't release all the files, unredacted (except to protect victims) then there's nothing false about insinuating that the files contain bad news for Trump.

I think we are getting to the crux of your problem. This is another example of you trusting what a person in authority says instead of questioning them. Your blind trust and faith extends to Democrats believing everything they say to be true, therefore anything a conservative says is not true.

Think about this. There are a lot of Epstein files.. but Raskin claimed Trump was named 1,000,000 times in the files. Your first inclination was to believe this instead of questioning such an absurd number.


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You forget, I'm a hippie from the 60s. Never trust the government, unless and until it proves itself trustworthy. I have no blind faith or trust in Democrats, Republican, nor politicians in general. I've followed some of Raskin's talks and found him to generally be reliable.

There's nothing absurd about Trump being mentioned a million times in 3 million files when one considers that Trump and Epstein were best friends. Consider that Trump is also far more likely than not a rapist and sexual predator and it begins to add up. Don't forget, Trump was determined to have committed sexual assault in civil court - could have been criminal but for the statute of limitations.

But you need to understand, Salmo, that a court that convicted DJT of anything was not a legal, real court because they would have exonerated him. Just like elections, he has never, ever, lost a "fair" election. "Fair" being defined as one that he won.

Hell, we know the Seahawks would have been undefeated this year if the refs hadn't cheated them. Same rules apply.

Trump and Epstein had ties and were friends for years. There was also a falling out between the two where Trump ended the friendship in 2004, with reports suggesting a dispute over a real estate deal in Palm Beach, Florida. Trump later claimed he banned Epstein from Mar-a-Lago because he "stole" employees and for being a "creep".

So for Trump cutting ties with Epstein over 20 years ago you still think Trump was named “over a million times” according to Raskin? It’s much more likely he’s full of bullschit and exaggerated the number and you’re stupid enough to trust the authority figure with a D next to his name. It’s just what you do.


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And you're stupid enough to believe Trump isn't a sexual predator. Congratulations.

Where did I say he wasn’t a sexual predator? I’ve repeatedly stated (even in this thread) that he has a terrible track record with women but you are old and forgetful which why you continue to repeat the same strawman arguments despite me me clearly stating my position.


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Nbc reported last week that trump tipped off police about epstein early 2000s.

Yeah. Almost as if Trump was possibly mentioned in the Epstein files because he could have been an informant? No… that can’t be.



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I apologize for stating it wrong. Here: "Streamer supports a sexual predator as president." Better?

Salmo,

You voted for Biden as well as Clinton who are also both sexual predators. The Trumpster is no different and nothing special. How does it feel that you voted for sexual predators? More fake outrage bro.


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Putting Biden and even Clinton in the same camp as Trump? Weak sauce man.

That’s all you have? Truth hurts.



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