After the Summerrun article on the Clawah in STS it was the most crowded I ever saw it on opening day. There was never anybody there in Sept and Oct but now there are.

Hey Pokey welcome back! Missed ya! Nice play on words.
More Later

Gooose

Can someone please give me the exact directions to the river. I do not snag and rarely catch many fish!!! LOL :

I sure ain't givin directions how to drive there been chastised enough.

Aunty M you spoiled my fun...I was goin to post a thread about how I was secretly slayin great big beautiful chrome pigs about ten miles up the Hama Hama ! Would have been fun to check out the results .

I personally love fishing small rivers...grew up on them. I know of a bunch down in my old stompin grounds down around the Willapa and Grays Harbor. They don't receive huge hatchery plants so no crowds and they've got good fish in them. BK you won't hear a peep from me about these unspoilt virgin waters unless it's a private invite. I've made several to members of this BB already. The article you referred to was pretty much right on but I don't see it being relevant to the hatchery fed zoo rivers we're talkin about. They sadly lost their viginity long before my posts. Rich G please note my caution in replying by e-mail to your query re: SR Cutts? I also don't go blabbin about someone else's special fishin spots....only ones I refer to already have a crowd and adding one or 2500(really?) more won't change things...a zoo is a zoo.

As for attracting snaggers gawd I hope not....was hoping my neoprenes would scare them off . As for fishin in a crowd of them...well I can't help it I dearly love puttin the iron to large chromers and so tolerate them to a point.

Peace to all...well amost

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Gooose

Sorry Goose...
I agree with not posting. If someone wants info they can ask and others can send it via email if they want. The Dungee is crowded because of reports from the media and internet. It wasn't nearly this bad last year, and its becoming a close second to the Quil. SNAGGERS ARE EVERYWHERE AND THE FISH ARE TIGHT LIPPED BECAUSE OF IT. I have seen several chums on the beach, people with 5 fish on a stringer (all foul hooked)still fishing, people casting 4/0 trebles with yarn on them...(like the yarn will fool the wdf officers!)... MORONS. I have seen more of this in three days on the river this year than ALL last year. I watched a guy try and snag about a 30 lb king sitting all by itself behind a rock. I hope they either enforce it, or close it. Land owners are getting sick of the traffic and parking nightmares already. Lower the limit back to 2 fish and it will lessen the pressure. Try and respect what too much exposure can do to any fishery, large or small.

I have to agree with with the nay sayers on this one, I was talking with a certain Bill who I happend to meet on a river when I was a pot smoking highschool kid and we just so happend to still like fishing the certain places of solitude until Mr. Dunnington came along and started naming people places and things in STS and started the downward spiral of fishing on these small tribs which cannot take the populous of metro seattle visiting them each and every weekend. So I say to Mr. Dunnington Keep your aligator mouth shut before it overloads your canary ass.
Goose is a great guy and the dungy is no secret, I sure don't think people are going to be flocking there when every stream around, especially the cowlitz, Lewis and Kalama are totally loaded with fish and have very liberal limits, so lets get off of goose's ass and on to something better.
Like Vicodin !!!!!!!
Peace Superfly

Kinda funny reading about what Tony and Bill say about each other. Being a writer is a tough position to be in. If you don't write good stuff, you don't sell articles. If you do write good stuff, people get pissed about you writing about "their" rivers. Not a position I want to be in.

All I know is anybody driving 2 or 3 hours is crazy, because there are fish to be had all over the place. Why the hell would you drive all the way to the Dungy when there are fish close to home?

I dont see a problem with giving reports about the rivers you fish and the techniques that you use-in fact I gladly welcome it! Just as long as it doesnt involve my rivers with my techniques!!

Hey Sparky, thats pretty unfair. I know where you like to hide out in the summer. You know the guy you filled in for, he likes it too. I bet you wouldn't be too happy if I started telling people where I've had great days too. My 7 weight wouldn't get bent in half as often if I did that. Get my point? Sorry Goose for singling you out, its something that has bothered my for quite some time about the WWW, not just Bobs site. Don't people get a kick out of finding their own honey holes anymore! I was just trying to prove that added advertisement does raise the fishing pressure on rivers.

Aunty M I only posted there a couple of times regarding my Anti-snagging tilting at windmills agenda and don't know what you're referring to? If there's e-mail flowin behind the scenes I'd appreciate being in the loop?
Geez this BB is enough for me, don't have the time to participate in those others....at least some comments are helping me with my weight loss program by taking big bites out my butt.

Not in favor of closing any river because of snagging. Even with the special permit program we'd have these idiots to deal with. Still there's merit in parts of those thoughts. Still I ain't goin to lead the crusade again unless asked and I'm probably not the one who should lead it. Old Indian told me that once a dead horse started to smell they'd get off it and find another.

This certainly turned into an interesting dialogue....peace to nearly all.

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Gooose




p.s. just slayed them on the Quil after work

Oh and Aunty, how is that going to stop snaggers? They are breaking the law already. What would stop them from fishing anyways without going to this so called coarse.

BK-
I was just being sarcastic. My personel opinion on the whole matter is that I dont like it when I see a favorite place talked about on the net or in a publication and after learning my lesson (many times) I keep my mouth shut about certain places.

But on the other hand, you have to give some credit to peope who dont mind writing about their favorite spot (as long as its not mine also ). But only if they do it because they are deep down a generous person and not because they are trying to make a buck which is believe to be the case more often then not when it comes to publications.

And with Goose...thats all this thread was to him-a chance to be kind and generous and give a good report regarding a river to help out others.

BK
F&H News once asked my dad to be a rep for the Grays Harbor area. Turned them down cold ...he believed that over half of fishin and huntin is learnin the spots & techs yourself...that's what he taught me. If you notice I only talk about places that have a crowd and so there ain't much to learn. Shoot I even kept the exact location of my favorite spot on the Quil a secret! Superfly and company know where it is but that's as far as I went. Have no problem with your comments at all...they were righteous.

Gooose

Goose its cool man, we're on the same wavelenght! My posts kind of came out a bit cranky. I have noticed this exact same phenominon on a river in my neck of the woods and it really pissed me off. Here I was on a river trying to find a piece of water that hadn't had the **** beat out of it, when 2 years prior it was the same elite anglers all the time.

[ 10-22-2001: Message edited by: BK ]

I agree that the snagging and fishing pressure has gotten a lot worse on the Quil and Dungy the past few years. The 4 fish limit has, in my opinion, had the largest impact.

One thing I can't figure out is why so many people in Western Washington break the rules. I moved to Sequim 5 years ago from Eastern WA where I fished for trout and walleye in the lakes and smallmouth bass while whitewater rafting with my dad in Idaho and very seldom, if ever, saw people abusing the rules. It just don't get it.

I agree that the snagging and fishing pressure has gotten a lot worse on the Quil and Dungy the past few years. The 4 fish limit has, in my opinion, had the largest impact.

One thing I can't figure out is why so many people in Western Washington break the rules. I moved to Sequim 5 years ago from Eastern WA where I fished for trout and walleye in the lakes and smallmouth bass while whitewater rafting with my dad in Idaho and very seldom, if ever, saw people abusing the rules. It just don't get it.

Thats because the rednecks of E. Wa. have yet to find out how to snag a walleye.

Sad thing isn't it. It's about the only time of year you see the Team Zebco ripping on them kegged up salmon. Cast, rip, cast, rip. "Oh there he is, right on dude another one right in the A$$!" We need more fishcops or a right to make a civilian's arrest, when you see people snagging. Anyone ever see a gunfight between snaggers, it's about the only time I think it should be legal.. Had a little of that down here on the lewis last year.

Challenged,
You are correct about what Herzog and Bob have done, and you'd better beleive I don't share my zipperlips except with friends.
How bout that Cowlitz!!!
:p
Keith

[ 10-23-2001: Message edited by: stlhdr1 ]

There is a ton of ideas like Aunty M's that work great in theory, but in all reality everything comes back to enforcement, or the lack there of. The quandry we are always in, whether it be fishing, or hunting, is that we are continually bombarded with more restrictions year after year, but any of them only work if someone is there to witness it, and respond with tickets, confiscations, etc.
You can have all the rules you want, but it's just some ink on a piece of paper in file drawer in Olympia without people in the field enforcing it.

As for you RPetzold, it sounds like the majority of snagging 'rednecks' actually reside on the WEST side.....

And besides, only BassMaster Tour rejects fish for walleye

[ 10-23-2001: Message edited by: backlash2 ]

BK ...I've been known too get a little cranky also. Tried to avoid it as much as possible on this thread....I'm sworn to friendly thoughts until this flotilla thing is over...don't want any bad karmic kujo vibes causin the weather/fishin gods to ruin the 27th on the Sop! After that the Bad Gooose may return...especially if my posts are ever again haunted by a certain reincarnated Californian! I'll even admit to being partial to southern women...especially that blonde in RT's pic! The other gal...while very cute is dangerous...father is known to have warned several eligible bachelors already of bodily harm .

Hey guys and gals...now the threads turned into a snagger discussion ....hate to be an evangelist but here goes. Any chance of a focused single discussion thread on this or a seperate BB like WSC? It's an issue as huge as wild steelhead....lookin for thoughts?

Everyone Peace
(even if you're from Elk Grove but won't admit it )

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Gooose