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#127430 - 11/20/01 08:22 PM Re: Perfect boat for the Sky
Doubletake Offline
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Registered: 02/20/00
Posts: 263
Loc: Duvall, Wa.
Leadthrower, I owned a 16' Wooldridge Alaskan, it is a great boat for shallow water and is great for running the river to get to those tight spots if necessary.
Not too wide and sides are relatively shallow so had to get a bigger boat so my wife would feel a little more secure in the river with me. There are a lot of times I still wish I had that boat. Good luck in your choice.

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#127431 - 11/20/01 10:47 PM Re: Perfect boat for the Sky
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Juvenille at Sea

Registered: 11/01/01
Posts: 155
Loc: Monroe Wa
Just one thing to say, NOTHING beats the peace and non-aggrevation-to-other-fellow-fisherman than my 16' Guide model Willie Drift Boat.
LOVE IT! I'll be at the Sky-Wallace confluence on Fri if you want to catch a glimpse!!
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#127432 - 11/21/01 03:14 AM Re: Perfect boat for the Sky
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Registered: 10/24/01
Posts: 293
Loc: WA
Wow!

Parker,

I don't mean to be disrespectful but please quit while you are ahead. 20+ fish and you are still angry! Relax, take a deep breath.

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#127433 - 11/21/01 04:09 PM Re: Perfect boat for the Sky
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Registered: 02/09/00
Posts: 13951
Loc: Mitulaville
Angry? No. LMAO? Yes! wink
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#127434 - 11/21/01 09:42 PM Re: Perfect boat for the Sky
Skywalker Offline
Spawner

Registered: 03/10/01
Posts: 570
Loc: Snohomish, WA, USA
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Originally posted by lead thrower:
Hey Parker

What does cork other drift boats mean, am not up on boating terms.


In case there haven't been any serious replies to this query, corking someone is putting your gear in the water in front of theirs. Originated in the commercial net fishing industry. See also "low holing".
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#127435 - 11/21/01 11:22 PM Re: Perfect boat for the Sky
silver hilton Offline
Repeat Spawner

Registered: 10/08/01
Posts: 1147
Loc: Out there, somewhere
I haven't seen a serious reply to some of the practical questions you ask, so here's my put.

As to how shallow you can run, I don't think there's that much difference between sleds. I have a 19 ft North River vee bottom that I can take through 4 inches of water if needed. You may be able to get a flat bottom sled through 2 or 3 inches, if needed. Problem is, if the water is that shallow, there is almost certainly at least one rock that sticks up, and you're going to bang it. So I think you're better off with a boat that is designed for some abuse, ie, a real sled, than a Smoker craft with a pump on it. The sleds have more metal on the bottom.

Now, if you're reasonably careful, any more or less flat bottomed boat with a jet unit will work to get you up and down the river, and a Smoker Craft Alaskan with a 20 hp pump might be just right for you. With the bigger boats, you get a nicer platform to fish from, and maybe amenities such as nicer seating, etc. A lot of Alaskan guide outfits do real well with 16 foot Lowes with about a 25 hp jet unit. The Lowes aren't heaviweight boats, but they do they job.

On the Sky up to Sultan, I have never seen the depth finder go below about 2 feet when I'm running, but I know how to read water and see the slot, and I just don't run the powerboat at low water levels, ie, less than about 2300 cfs at Goldbar. That's actually due as much to the conditions at the ramps as anything else, however.

You can run these rivers just fine in the summer with any of these boats. I think the limit is not the river, it's your ability to read water, your familiarity with the water, and the other people on the water. In the summer, the river is smaller, and so there is less room for co-existance with non-powered craft and bankies. I don't run the big boat in summer water on the smaller rivers, because I think it is getting pretty close to being rude to my fellow angler. I think it's a borderline question as to whether the Sky qualifies as a smaller river.

You'll get some folks that will tell you that too big a boat throws too much of a wake. I don't think that size is as much a factor as design, weight, and how the operator uses it. My 19 ft throws less wake than my old 17 ft, despite being 700 lbs heavier and having 100 more HP. I think it's because it gets up on step easier, and keeps on top, rather than plowing through, the water.

If you get a boat, make sure it has enough power for the boat, you, and the number of people you plan on fishing with it. Having a pump doesn't mean squat if you can't get a boat on plane. I had a 17 ft Almar with an 85, and with more than two people, the boat simply wasn't safe in shallow water, as it took about a football field to get up on step. If you find someone selling a boat for a price that seems too good to be real, it may be because the motor is too small for the boat. Insist on taking it out for a spin, and bring buddies, large ones.

So that's my advice. As to whether to get a drift boat or a sled, I actually prefer fishing from a drift boat, as I love to row, but a drift boat requires a shuttle. I like to fish with my kids, they don't have drivers licenses, so the sled works for me. I fish in mid week a lot, so finding partners who can help with the shuttle can be hard. Note, volunteers accepted. It is also nice to be able to put in, motor up to a spot, fish for a bit, and then head back, without having to do the whole drift. I have a couple of spots where I fish where I never fire the big motor up except to get on and off the trailer. I just put in, motor up to a point, anchor and plunk. Being able to sit there, drink coffee under the top and wait for mister steelhead to come, now that's luxury.
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#127436 - 11/22/01 02:58 PM Re: Perfect boat for the Sky
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Juvenille at Sea

Registered: 10/21/00
Posts: 111
Loc: Wa,USA
Leadthrower,if I could do it over I would probably have a different boat.I've learned that how you fish should be a major consideration when selecting you boat.If you get a boat that doesn't suit your fishing needs because you want to be able to run the upper Sky year round,you may regret it.

There are times when the river is too low for me to run the sled.I generally like to bank fish so that what I do during the dry months.

My next boat will be larger.At least 16 but no more than 18.If I can get a boats that tracks well in the 16-17 foot range thats ideal.

River current and flows can affect you abilty to launch as well as run the river.Buying a boat that runs skinny water is pointless unless you have a setup that allows you to launch during these occaisions.Your towing vehicle is half of your system.

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#127437 - 11/26/01 04:34 AM Re: Perfect boat for the Sky
otis Offline
Alevin

Registered: 11/26/01
Posts: 17
Loc: Mount Vernon
Quote:
Originally posted by lead thrower:
The Sky is my backyard and I almost exclusively only fish this river just for the fact that it is a two minute drive from my house. I am looking for a small sled. My question is can I run a sled all year around in the Sky even in the summer when the water gets extremely low? If a sled cannot be run year around can one of those Jon Boats with a small pump run year around or would I be better off with a drift boat? I do like the idea of a small motor boat so I can go back upstream if I wish. Do any of you guys with boats have some advice.

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#127438 - 11/26/01 04:36 AM Re: Perfect boat for the Sky
otis Offline
Alevin

Registered: 11/26/01
Posts: 17
Loc: Mount Vernon
I'd say a 28 ft bentz with dual 460s would do ya good

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#127439 - 11/26/01 11:45 AM Re: Perfect boat for the Sky
Timber Offline
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Registered: 05/27/00
Posts: 2447
Loc: Stumpy Acres
Good idea Otis laugh I think I'll go trade my 26ftr in and get me one!! laugh
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