I do not now if I should even post this but o-well here go's. I have more than enough times on all bb heard of sleds and drift boats having trouble with each other. People get on here and say how the other person was a jerk and should not be on the water. I have just spent three days on the river in which everyone help the other by not going over there lines . The sleds even went behind the drift boats and not at full speed I must say. Just mabe people are starting to put two and two togeather.

Hey driftboat, have noticed the same thing the last few weeks out. Everyone has been courteous not only in the way the fish but also conversation. It has been great. Good fishing to all.

Doubletake

Thanks for sharing that guys. It's good to hear that for a change! And this is occuring during stressful times of Osama and economic recession. Perhaps it due to both good fish runs and the power of the internet BB discussions to improve river demeanor out there?

...and also maybe because it is the holiday season and people are just generally being nicer to each other during this time.

Maybe the sleds and driftboats are getting along, but the bankfisherman and the driftboats sure aren't! I myself fished the Kalama River last week (along with a few other guys that were in this spot) and had a heck of a time with driftboaters. I'm not saying they're all disrespectful, but it was surprising how many were. I was bank fishing as I always do, when a driftboat came downriver and anchored right above me. Okay, not a real big deal-yet. They then fished there for about an hour. Still no big deal. Then they pulled anchor and drifted across to the other side of the small river and proceeded to drop anchor and fish directly across from me casting right towards me. Still I neither said nor did anything and neither did any of the other bankies. Finally they drifted down below me and started pulling plugs I guess. The thing is this same scenario (or a very similar one) happend over and over again, all day long with at least 6 more boats! I never said anything or did anything, cause I'm just not that kind of person, but it really did tick me off that these boats had the whole river to float and felt the need to anchor and fish right in the hole a few of us bankies were fishing. I will say, however that about 2 or 3 driftboats floated right past us on the other side of the river, without anchoring or impeding our casting. Thank you to those boats-who I believe might have been guides? This is not a b*tch/wine post, just wanted to share my story and vent a little. Don't respond unless you feel the need to. Take care everybody.

A friend was fishing off the bank on the Sky last week one early morning in a spot that had been producing steelies consistantly.A sled came boondogin' through a little too close he felt,but he did not say anything and kept fishing.Soon the sled comes motoring back up and he decides enough is enough and gets ready to cast one over the bow to send a message.Sled comes right up below where he is fishing and Dude says "your in our spot.......so why don't you hop in and we can all fish it ",Short story is they all ended up with there limit,and shared a shot of whiskey to warm up with and had a good day of fishing.

A classic example of how to get along.

too bad that this is not even CLOSE to reality at Blue Creek!! Drifted it today, what a madhouse. Don't plan on going back there anytime soon

I always try to show river courteousness, and let others know when they're not so courteous. There's getting to be so many people out there anymore that you pretty much have too.
Keith

Drift Boat sets the example with his fishing etiquette. Twice now I have had the pleasure to run into him on the Sky. First time he so kindly helped me with a few instructions on how to fish for Chums, second time he had the hole to himself but invited me right on over to fish next to him and just down stream of him.
This is the kind of this I'm trying to teach my 12yo son to understand. You know people are going to cut you off or fish infont of you, sometimes out of pure stupidy sometimes out of greed, but unless you actually ask them you should consider it stupidy!
You can ask nicely if they know that they cut you off, if they get rude drop the conversation and fish on. I am a firm beliver of what comes around goes around, sometimes we don't get the results, be happy with yourself your really the only one you have to impress!

It's good to hear more of these 'get along properly' stories. We always hear the negative ones, but not always the good ones. I have spent a lot of time on the water and still see more proper behavior than improper behavior. However, as the river population keeps increasing so will the challenge of getting along well. Keep educating by good example out there; and communicating what's proper eiquette to those in need any way you can - on the interent BBs, polite suggestions to guys out on the river, and letters to media sources such as fishing magazines.

KB, in your example of the driftboats not respecting you and some other bank fishers is a common one. The boaters need to give bankies that were there first better consideration. However, if it's a crowded day (usually Fri, Sat, Sun) then what you have assumed is likely not true - that drift boaters have the whole river to fish. They more often than not struggle to find holes that bankies aren't alread in. When it's like that they should politely ask the bankies if they can fish the hole with them for a short stint before moving along, rather than just start casting into the same place. ... Crowding is our biggest challenge as sportfishers; closely seconded by helping to enhance runs rather than deplete them.

RT

fish4steel, never I repeat never fish BC between Christmas and New Years. Made the mistake of doing it a few years ago and came to the same conclusion as you did.......................what a madhouse!


FJ...out.

this is just a little off the subject but, i just have one question. why are people most of the time d*cks to people my age. it makes me soooo mad . everytime im out on the river at least one person ends up being very rude. and also at tackle shops, when i try to have a friendly conversation they just dont say anything back. i wont mention any names but theres one guy in monroe that i cant stand. its like why do you have to be such an a--hole your not at work, your not watching little kids, YOUR ON THE RIVER! doing something that most people on the river at this time of year love to do. so you dont catch a fish, or i catch one before you. you dont have to get pissed about it.
tyler

just letting off some steam.

[ 12-30-2001: Message edited by: Tyler Celli ]

Hey Tyler, it's because our age group is stereotyped. We are the 'punks'. Born in the mid-late 70's, early 80's, etc. We rip it up, break stuff, and are sinners, according to the older folks like RT. He knows the Reel Truth about that, though.

hey krome how old are ya?
tyler

Yeah dudes...go back to skateboarding!!!!

[ 12-30-2001: Message edited by: RPetzold ]

Tyler and KB
Don't let being labeled get ya down I will share stories with you over time of how I have shot down even the wisest of "adults" who think a certain way.
I too am in your age bracket and to many times i've been frowned upon but as soon as i speak people soon figure it out that it's not an age problem but a respect in general that lacks in our society. By the way got my first brat today but not without injury to me (that's not uncommon though).

Insanity is hereditary - you get it from your children.

We are not permitted to choose the frame of our destiny. But what we put into it is ours.

Keep the chin up, guys. It's a slow-go at first, but if you keep at it, pay attention, and show responsibility for the resource, you'd be surprised by the people who are terribly friendly, but put on an asshole front at first.

Each guy you come into contact with, give him a clean slate. That's what you'd expect from a stranger who doesn't know you, right? I try to help out when I can to whomever I can, but zipper stuff is confidential. Who knows, you may have the same scenario: I've met many guys and gals off the boards and fished with some of them. Many of them I consider friends now, good friends even. You'd be surprised by the doors and windows that open up for you if you keep yourself approachable and most importantly, LEARN when taught, even if a lesson wasn't particularly directed at you.

Most importantly, give back what you take when you can. Good men will treat you like good men, and good women (yeah right :p ) will treat you....


Make it down this way or need any help, get in touch with me and I will try to help the best that I can or I can help point you in the right direction.

Hey thanks bentpole and Y'all. BTW Y'all, never thought you were such a soft, mushy kinda guy.

Tyler, I know what you mean about the "guy in monroe." He doesnt go out of his way to talk to anybody let alone us "kids." Ive been corked so many times on the SKy by boondoggers throwing over my line just because they felt they could get away with it by me being younger than them. There's nothing better than taking the "been there, done that" older guys to school some times. But most of the time the old man of the river wins...lol

Hey, we should have a fish off between the younger guys (born mid 70's-mid 80's) and the older guys on the board????

i'm down for the fish off. hey thanks for all the replies guys.
tyler
p.s. i dont skate...ANYMORE

Hey Bankwalker,

Would your name be Cameron by any chance? If so, do you remember exchanging e-mails about 3 or 4 years ago about that small river you now like to fish? I just might be the 'older' (well not really that old!) guy that told you about it.

p.s. Yeah, it has been WAY too crowded last couple of years.

Hey Ryan,
Sounds like your feeling old at 21. Why don't you do the responsible thing and recruit these young fishermen to join the WSC. We need some new young blood to keep things going well. They would be welcome by all. By the way I take it you are now too old to skateboard?

I have to be nice or I get into trouble. Besides, it's cheaper than dating... If I plan on being president one day, I might as well start kissing ass and start taking donations now. Although, I could settle for being a senator. Those guys never seem to get into trouble.

Yeah, thats me 4Salt. For the life of me i cant remember exchanging emails?? It has been crowded as far as that river goes, but there has been fish. I always got zipperlip #2 as a fall back...

I treat everyone with the same respect, young or old, male or female, unless I'm given cause to do differently....then ...well you all know by now. You young guys are the future and I encourage you to be active in this board and in the realm of issues regarding yours(ours) sporting/resource interests. Don't take any crap but also show respect for those who've been at it a while. I learned when young to invite some of the old timers to fish next to me when I'd beaten them to "the spot." Sharing the water with them gained me way more than I gave.

Gooose

Whats the WSC
tyler
P.S. i always invite people to fish with me i love to talk fishin with other people.

[ 01-04-2002: Message edited by: Tyler Celli ]

Tyler,

The WSC stands for Wild Steelhead Coalition. They are a good organization of anglers dedicated to the protection of wild native steelhead stocks. They helped spark the new C&R state wide regs. Site owner here Bob Ball was instrumental in these efforts. And there is a link to the WSC on this site.

RT

For all you young punks, join the WSC to help preserve our wild steelhead for the future. This group has done an excellent job and would love to have some younger folks as members...$15 for a student membership.

Steve-
I was never cool enough to skate.