#211890 - 09/19/03 07:45 PM
Re: NFR Why are they striking?
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Carcass
Registered: 10/31/02
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Loc: Portland
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"$120,000 a year(3/4 year)" I'm not sure how exactly one would go about researching this so I'll imagine... I imagine that salary is one of the smallest amongst all superintendents in the state....how much do you think the Seattle superintendent makes?? I'll bet its substantially more... Further, do you think being the superintendent of ANY school district in the state is an eight month a year job? I suppose you are imagining that time as paid vacation? I really have no idea what a 'superintendent of schools' does exactly...do you? If that guy IS taking that time as vacation I guarantee you he is the worst superintendent in the state...no wonder the best superintendent's job he could get was in Mineral....
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#211891 - 09/19/03 07:49 PM
Re: NFR Why are they striking?
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
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You been on a campus lately, cowfish.
It's true..........profs lecture, your TA explains the lecture, and YOU learn the material.
They get paid what they do because it's about the prevailing wage, industry-wide. Hardly a mystery................
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#211892 - 09/19/03 08:03 PM
Re: NFR Why are they striking?
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Juvenille at Sea
Registered: 07/12/02
Posts: 154
Loc: Issaquah
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Cowfish, you are one bitter dude. It ain't that complicated. If you are one of the unemployed, you have my regreats. If you have a job, and it pays less than the steelar amount teachers are getting, get a better job. Maybe you just want the summers off to do more fishing. Now I can relate to that!!
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#211893 - 09/19/03 08:36 PM
Re: NFR Why are they striking?
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Spawner
Registered: 12/06/00
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Now I just did a little research and I'm even more flabergasted. The marysville teachers are wanting a total package raise of 11%. Are you $hitting me. Get real. Cost of living is (i think) less than 2%. With the struggling economy they should be happy they're getting anything for a raise.
GREED!!!!!!
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#211894 - 09/19/03 08:56 PM
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 06/14/00
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Loc: Toledo, Washington
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#211895 - 09/19/03 09:03 PM
Re: NFR Why are they striking?
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Juvenille at Sea
Registered: 07/12/02
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Loc: Issaquah
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Just curious, how many kids say I want to go through 4 years of college, so I can be a teacher and make all that money and have all that time off? Most parents would not be all that excited. I have not looked at individual pay scales, but I would suspect that tenure drives the number up, and new teachers make squat. The question is how do school districts attract good people to teach our kids?
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#211896 - 09/19/03 09:44 PM
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Anonymous
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starting salary too low... I dont buy that...
Every proffesion whether teacher or dichdigger has a low starting salary... you gotta pay your dues and show your worth... fifteen years ago I started out making $7 bucks and hour drafting... needless to say the payscale goes up drastically from there if you're any good...
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#211898 - 09/19/03 10:19 PM
Re: NFR Why are they striking?
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Spawner
Registered: 03/10/01
Posts: 578
Loc: Snohomish, WA, USA
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"I don' t recall to many fouth graders coming to class with a hangover do you?!"
Is your goal to reduce your credibility to zero with that? What the hell does that have to do with anything?
*I've* taught college classes for ****'s sake. Two hours of Geology 101 lab was a breeze compared to having my kid's friend ****** over for dinner for 45 minutes. I can't imagine having her in a classroom all day. Believe me, lecturing to college kids with a hangover is easy. They don't say a word for the whole hour.
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#211899 - 09/19/03 10:29 PM
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Spawner
Registered: 03/10/01
Posts: 578
Loc: Snohomish, WA, USA
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I'll tell you what, piper, the teacher that will take $7 an hour can teach yours and cowfish's kids.
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#211900 - 09/19/03 11:14 PM
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Originally posted by Skywalker: the teacher that will take $7 an hour can teach yours and cowfish's kids. Now I never said that is what they should be making... that is what I made... I paid my dues and I do allright now... All I am saying is that anyone starting out in any profession should not expect to make top dollar...
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#211901 - 09/20/03 12:09 AM
Re: NFR Why are they striking?
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Smolt
Registered: 06/26/01
Posts: 80
Loc: Eugene,Or.
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Amazing, people who have no problem spending thousands of dollars on rigs,boats and trailers,computers,fishing gear,etc., can't stand to see the people entrusted with the care and education of our children make forty to fifty thousand a year.
If waste and incompetence need to be addressed take the necessary action and don't throw out the baby with the bath water.
It's true that wages lost during a strike usually are not recovered but sometimes one has to take a stand just to keep from losing ground.
For those of you who feel govt. agencies need to be held accountable, I agree, but focus on the problem, pay the competent grade and high school teachers a good salary and weed out the rest.
You will have to use the existing system to make a difference, if this proves to much the only alternative is to be mad at and jealous of good teachers making a good living.
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#211902 - 09/20/03 12:22 AM
Re: NFR Why are they striking?
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Spawner
Registered: 12/06/00
Posts: 786
Loc: bullcanyon
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Why not work while they negotiate, that way they don't lose anything and more importantly the kids don't lose. Most of the discussion has been about the teachers. What about the kids? I would understand this if they were after a realistic goal, but they are looking for a raise that is way beyond that.
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#211903 - 09/20/03 01:19 AM
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Returning Adult
Registered: 02/06/02
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I would be interested in knowing how many teachers started college with the intent of becoming a teacher, and how many had other aspiirations and couldn't cut the curiculum(sp). As I see it, they all knew what the pay was before they signed the contract. We (the public) expect way too much from the teachers. That being a given, if they are intelligent enough to become a teacher, they were aware of the conditions before they signed the contract. I don't think they are overpayed for what they are asked to do, but I do think they knew what the job was when they took it. herm
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#211906 - 09/20/03 12:35 PM
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Returning Adult
Registered: 12/10/02
Posts: 439
Loc: Everett, WA
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Teachers don't lose money in a strike! The feds and state mandate the number of school days in a year. All that really happens is that they (and our kids) will be in school later in the summer. Withholding ones labor services as a method of attempting to obtain a better contract is a traditional way to negotiate throughout industry. However, in the public school arena the striking teachers take no financial hit to their annual compensation.
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#211907 - 09/20/03 12:56 PM
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Alevin
Registered: 09/16/02
Posts: 15
Loc: Lk. Stevens
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Don't know how I missed this topic for so long, anyone that thinks teachers work 8 months are a little far from reality. I have a sister inlaw that teaches in Marysville and my daughter goes to Lake Stevens. I am 100% behind the teachers. The daycare issue, I never have understood that mentality.. Teachers pay, would you accept a contract that gave you the same pay and said you need to work 2 weeks longer? I don't know how many nights and weekends they are grading papers, planning etc.. The kids might be out of school but teachers are not! For all of you that say they get paid to much I'm willing to bet not one of you could do their job! How about working in a place were a child gets expelled, comes to school the next day as if nothing happen, why? He happened to belong to the local Tr### and got restaining orders against anyone that could do anything about it.. How come admistrators pay never comes into this topic? Since the new superintedent came to Marysville they have added 10 people under her @ 70,000 a year!! My only issue is that I wish we could get rid of the bad one.. That's a whole new union topic. Just my 2 cents..
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#211908 - 09/20/03 01:46 PM
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 06/14/00
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Loc: Toledo, Washington
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#211909 - 09/20/03 02:10 PM
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
Registered: 03/07/99
Posts: 17149
Loc: SE Olympia, WA
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"...College professors don't teach, they lecture." Did you go to college? I had some great professors who went above and beyond with labs, field work, and weekend trips. Sure, you get to be face to face with a professor..............when you're a junior and your major has been declared. At least that's the way it is at our two largest state universities (UW & WSU). When you're a freshman or a sophomore and you're completing your courses required for graduation, and sitting in a lecture hall with 600 other students, chances are your profs don't even know your name. How could they? cowfish, If college profs compete with other profs around the country, at different universities around the country (both public AND private schools) and this competition sets the prevailing wage in the industry....................and you think profs are overpaid. Don't you think the institutions around the country have a better handle on what professors should be paid than you do?
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