#212531 - 09/24/03 09:23 PM
Let's do something about gillnetting!
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#212537 - 09/24/03 11:14 PM
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 09/23/02
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Loc: Monroe, Washington
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Grid-Lockes email cannot be added onto an email list. You have to approach it directly and on its own. I was at the meeting in Mount Vernon with Grandpa and qute a few other PSA members on the shrimping issue. The commision is fully corrupt. Before we had our chance to speak on the shrimping issue the commision slammed the door on us and thwarted every thing we had to say before it was said. My foot still hurts where it was in the door. They must have read our emails that time. We did jamb up their phone lines, email boxes and mail boxes. They had top listen. Instead they did all of the talking. Grandpa is right. You have to go over the commissions head. I like the idea of the commission, but it has turned against us. Its like Bill Cosby said about the kids tonsils in the " We're gonna have ice cream" segment, the tonsils have joined the other side. Write those letters and most of all get Locke replaced with someone who cares about our great state.
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#212538 - 09/24/03 11:22 PM
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/27/02
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Grandpa, I agree getting rid of the present commission, or figuring out how to load it with recreation-minded people, is the way to go.
Aside from that, what is a better solution other than the commission? Which state has a good model program?
Perhaps we could point that out to our respective respresentitives so we offer them a solution instead of just complaining about what is.
There's a lot of really smart individuals here when it comes to fisheries. I'll bet collectively this board could come up with more than one workable model that could be presented to the state for consideration.
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#212540 - 09/25/03 03:46 AM
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Returning Adult
Registered: 05/09/03
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Loc: Florida
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Originally posted by grandpa2: Sorry to rain on your parade but lobbying the legislature to do away with commercial fishing is a waste of time. Not gonna happen. Ok all.... Here is my CIVIL post....... Grandpa2, I believe that the above attitude (which is the norm for most touchy laws nowadays) is flat wrong. Sure, it seems hopeless, but the ONLY reason it is hopeless is that not enough people come together on the issue. Believe me, in politics, votes count, and if enough mad as hell people get together on an issue..... IT WILL CHANGE!!!!! Not to start another argument here, but even things "set in stone" like treaties or protectionism laws can be changed if enough people holler loud enough to change it. Problem is, politicians want the bickering and discord, because then there is no organization, and without organization things do not get done..... Hell, if they can modify the constitution of this country a zillion times (which is the premier law of the land), anything can be modified. The difference is how organized the effort to change the law or status-quo is. Look how just one Dad was able to get the supreme court to rule that the "pledge of allegiance" was unconstitutional. It took organization and a lot of work by lawyers to get it done. May be overturned BECAUSE THEIR WAS SUCH AN OUTCRY FROM THE MASSES!!!! Now, they decided it was unconstitutional... That was their decision.... But they run and hide after 80% of America was outraged and inflamed by that "constitutional" decision... Changing their minds fast..... Again, all it takes is a larger, louder group, and the high $$ groups loose a lot of their appeal. The one thing you can always count on besides politicians being sleazy, is that they are bought for the highest $$ or the highest vote count. Without the votes, the $$ will not get them into office or keep them there...... Great letter!!!! MC
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#212542 - 09/25/03 10:25 AM
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/27/02
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Why letters instead of email? Better chance of being read?
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#212544 - 09/25/03 11:27 AM
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/27/02
Posts: 3276
Loc: U.S. Army
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I didn't realize that.
Letters are a pain in the butt to compose, write, then finally mail compared to email. What would be nice is if there were a selection of form-type letters available online that one could choose from, print, sign, then mail.
Someone that's really good with HTML could design a letter, and in the body there could be drop down menus with selections for location, species, ideas, etc., plus menus for who to address it to. A person could choose a letter, make their selections, print, sign, and mail. With three or four different bodies to choose from, with different options in each one, it wouldn't appear like a simple form letter mass mailing.
If it was made easier for the average sportsperson to get a letter into the mail, we could have a louder voice in the legislature.
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#212545 - 09/25/03 12:44 PM
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Alevin
Registered: 05/08/99
Posts: 11
Loc: WA again soon!
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Whereas every email, letter, and phone call DO count. the form letters and cut/paste items hold the least accord. Its the same thing as signing the whatever petitions outside k-mart. And they are just as easy to answer with a form letter. But send them any way if that is all the time you have; and attend every meeting you possibly can.
A non-corrupt system would allow ALL voices to be heard at their public meetings. And just as G'pa (I think) stated, the commercial industry has a huge financial backing. If the commercial fishermen were the only ones backing their style of "fishing", the laws would have been changed years ago. However, they are backed by the business world (canneries, distributors, supermarkets, etc.) who already have ties in the political ring and a lot more money than the weekend fisherman.
Until an outdoor loving, ethical, rich fisherman (or woman) can afford to take-on the corrupt political arena, we'll continue to be stuck in this hell hole.
It just hurts the soul to KNOW what our economy could be like if an emphasis was put on the sustainability of the fish. Every port on the coast and straits has the capability of looking like Sekiu does from June til October. But hell, the government doesn't need the money......
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#212546 - 09/25/03 08:21 PM
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Spawner
Registered: 03/22/03
Posts: 874
Loc: Puyallup, WA
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Originally posted by grandpa2: One idea I like is this: Take pictures every chance you get of abuses concerning our fisheries. Publicize them and send them to your elected officials. Take an elected official out fishing. Voice you opinions in letter form and not email. I have the perfict places. Take a official to the Hoodsport Hatchery, on a week day, during late November and show them the thousands of Chum carcases floating around dead left by the Indians, please don't make this a Native issue, or show them a "Goast Net" full of dead animals. I just sent off letters to all of my officials. I urge all of you to do the same. Let's make a difference!
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#212547 - 09/25/03 08:24 PM
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Spawner
Registered: 03/22/03
Posts: 874
Loc: Puyallup, WA
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Originally posted by salty-dog: Until an outdoor loving, ethical, rich fisherman (or woman) can afford to take-on the corrupt political arena, we'll continue to be stuck in this hell hole.
Dose anybody know of a rich or powerful person that would be willing to "sponser" rec. fishermen?
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#212548 - 09/25/03 11:51 PM
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The Tide changed
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Hi Bob,
You can bet I will be sitting down to write my letters and do my share this weekend.
Hope all is well with you and family.
Good work here.
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#212549 - 09/26/03 11:33 AM
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