#231645 - 02/10/04 07:32 PM
Re: Wild Steelhead Kill Outlawed in WA for 2 Yrs!
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 06/14/00
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Loc: Toledo, Washington
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FishnBrad - I'm not sure the Commission can require a complete closure unless they declare a particular river off limits to anglers. I'm not sure how you can require someone not to catch steelhead. They can require "zero possession", which is the same as C&R. They know it's illegal to do what they did! Why do you think the attorneys are not answering my question???????????? What was that old saying about . . . . . don't kick a dog when it's sleeping! Cowlitzfisherman
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#231646 - 02/10/04 07:49 PM
Re: Wild Steelhead Kill Outlawed in WA for 2 Yrs!
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 03/28/00
Posts: 222
Loc: Renton,WA
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cohoangler what about rivers like the Sky that has it's C&R fishery closed all the time, no fishing period. Close them all down and see what happens. Then take a look at it river by river. Don't give it a 50% effort with C&R and hope it works, give it a honest try and see what happens, that's all i'm saying.
I don't fish for or even target wild fish anymore, but back 15 years ago I was all over them until i saw what was happening and I quit and looked for other options.
and quoted by you "I would go as far as saying that all wild salmon and steelhead should be released. In fact, that's what I do. If I land a salmon or steelhead that I know is a wild fish, it goes back" and that's what I'm saying dont fish for them period dont chance it if there is a problem (which there is) sit it out. we all should!!
Bruce I know It's just a handfull of rivers that this will affect, but where this is going is what scares me, what's next? I love to fly fish, but i don't want to be restricted to it in all waters salt and fresh.
Look it the Thompson river in B.C I hear that local clubs haved asked that their members and all other fishermen to cease fishing period. Why can't our clubs and fishermen do the same. I'll tell you why people are out for themselves. It's all me!! me!! me!!
Really sad!!
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#231648 - 02/10/04 08:18 PM
Re: Wild Steelhead Kill Outlawed in WA for 2 Yrs!
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Dick Nipples
Registered: 03/08/99
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Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
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#231649 - 02/10/04 09:11 PM
Re: Wild Steelhead Kill Outlawed in WA for 2 Yrs!
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 06/14/00
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Loc: Toledo, Washington
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#231650 - 02/10/04 10:59 PM
Re: Wild Steelhead Kill Outlawed in WA for 2 Yrs!
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Registered: 02/10/04
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Loc: Eastern Washington
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#231651 - 02/10/04 11:28 PM
Re: Wild Steelhead Kill Outlawed in WA for 2 Yrs!
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gall darnit anyway... Sounds like I need a new roof on my house... Anyone know whats the best protection against the sky falling. Sorry I couldn't help myself... but there is an awfull lot of that kind of drivvel being spewed...
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#231652 - 02/10/04 11:32 PM
Re: Wild Steelhead Kill Outlawed in WA for 2 Yrs!
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Returning Adult
Registered: 08/14/03
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Loc: Between 2 Mountains
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Bruce, shure will be there.
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#231654 - 02/11/04 12:32 AM
Re: Wild Steelhead Kill Outlawed in WA for 2 Yrs!
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Juvenille at Sea
Registered: 12/21/02
Posts: 182
Loc: Graham
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There's a fly fishing only conspiracy?... All I know is this. Change is inevitable. If you are anywhere around your middle-years right now, think to the past, and the future. Our grandfathers had pristine runs of wild steelhead. Few of them considered it worth fishing for them; though there were as many as they cared to take the time to fish for. Our fathers enjoyed fishing over healthy stocks of wild steelhead. They probably never considered releasing wild fish, unless they simply had more than they could use. In our lifetimes, we basically have seen runs deteriorate to the point where we are seldomly able to enjoy good numbers of fish, and can retain wild fish in precious few places. Our kids will grow into adults MAYBE being able to fish in rivers that actually have wild fish. Keeping one may be out of the question. And unless we achieve something drastically different than the last generations were able to accomplish, our grandchildren may not even be able to fish for them at all.
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#231656 - 02/11/04 01:57 AM
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LOL Grandpa... I dont know if anyone caught this weeks episode of mythbusters (pretty cool show for us geeky types) One of the dudes was sporting his foil cap proudly. At one point he had a full foil helmut on with just a couple of eyeholes. I got a pretty good chuckle out of it.
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#231657 - 02/11/04 05:35 AM
Re: Wild Steelhead Kill Outlawed in WA for 2 Yrs!
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Spawner
Registered: 01/03/03
Posts: 802
Loc: Port Orchard
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I have come to the conclusion after reading the boldt decision that it is futile to continue arguing C&R mortality and closures. I think we should work on getting this privilage stealing law overturned if possible. We also need to fight for every privilage we have. Tell the special interest to go special interest in there country club pond and leave are privilages alone! It seems to me they havent the foggiest idea of what they are actually doing although there intent maybe good there actions are a good example of what happens when you smoke crack too long! After the above mentioned is complete we need to start kissing some Native butt, and together we may be able to do something to get are fish back. Then we will all be happy get married, have kids, buy a house with a white pickett fence, and fish till we die.
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#231658 - 02/11/04 12:31 PM
Re: Wild Steelhead Kill Outlawed in WA for 2 Yrs!
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 03/28/00
Posts: 222
Loc: Renton,WA
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gsiegel thats just what I was saying, don't fish at all and save every fish we can. Then all of us includeing WSC, WT, TU band togeather to reduce public demand or come to a comprimise with the tribes.
A C&R fishery will still kill off our runs it will just take longer and serve some people better along the way.
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#231659 - 02/11/04 01:25 PM
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Nobody has opened up any special CNR seasons on wild steelhead.
You can still fish and you can still harvest hatchery fish. You will not be able to bonk a native fish (Isn't most everyone is doing that anyway?)
Rumor has it that only one river has a population of fish that is healthy. Rumor also has it that Wdfw didn't want to make that the only river that harvest of natives was allowed to prevent over harvest on that river.
WSR is not going to fix the problem but it will slow the problem until the natural ocean cylcles reverse and survival becomes much better.
Nobody is disputing that a total ban on fishing would be better for the fish. When the populations of wild fish fall to low and escapement is not being met the WDFW will close fishing entirely on those rivers.
Does any of that not make sence? Now would everybody please go out and catch a fish!
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#231661 - 02/11/04 01:38 PM
Re: Wild Steelhead Kill Outlawed in WA for 2 Yrs!
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 03/28/00
Posts: 222
Loc: Renton,WA
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piper I'm say if you want to jump up and down and claim a real victory shut it down and let them come back with no sports pressure Is that too much sacriface for you?
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#231662 - 02/11/04 01:42 PM
Re: Wild Steelhead Kill Outlawed in WA for 2 Yrs!
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Anonymous
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Its not a catch and release season.
Bonk all the hatchery fish you want.
Just leave the natives to spawn.
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#231663 - 02/11/04 01:44 PM
Re: Wild Steelhead Kill Outlawed in WA for 2 Yrs!
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Anonymous
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To me it is a victory because I can still fish and take home as many hatchery fish as I can catch.
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