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#269879 - 08/12/04 07:32 PM Re: Marriage
Wailuku Offline
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"Sex has always be a line accepted as a defining difference."

Not true....

In the business world you are not allowed to look at men and women differently in the work place when it comes to hiring, firing and promoting otherwise it could be construed as discrimination.

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#269880 - 08/12/04 10:53 PM Re: Marriage
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Again I say (see previous post on Cowlitz county marriages), why stop with allowing gays and lesbians marriages being legally recognized by state and federal governments?

If as a society we're going to be truly 'enlightened' and all inclusive with marriages:

Why not let brothers and sister marry?

Why not allow one man to be married to several women at the same time--or one women to be married to multiple men simultaneously?
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#269881 - 08/12/04 11:51 PM Re: Marriage
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Brother and sister shoudn't marry because of inbreeding. But you already knew that. And since you're stirring the pot, I can think of a valid reason why a man shouldn't marry more than one person. Can you?

You tell us why there shouldn't be polygomy. It was okay in the bible for thousands of years. It's existed in virtually every culture at one time or another. So why not?
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#269883 - 08/13/04 12:20 AM Re: Marriage
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Originally posted by goharley:

[QB] Brother and sister shoudn't marry because of inbreeding.--GH

What if one of them was sterile and couldn't have children, and just wanted their special-close and loving relationship recognized legally by state and federal governments? Since they wouldn't be able to have biological children of their own, perhaps they could adopt----if they wanted children.
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You tell us why there shouldn't be polygomy. It was okay in the bible for thousands of years.--GH

[was=old law]

I have said before that I am not stating MY opposition to gay marriage using biblical teachings---I oppose it (same sex marriages) because it does not benefit our society (see following post).
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It's existed in virtually every culture at one time or another. So why not?--GH

So has canibalism--should we now legalize that too?
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#269885 - 08/13/04 12:27 AM Re: Marriage
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Quote:
Originally posted by Rory Bellows:

[QUOTE]......one can make a very logical and compelling argument against state and federal govenments legally recognizing homosexual and lesbian marriages without the use of scripture from either the old or new testiment.

In fact, saying that the opposition to gay marriage is founded entirely on religious beliefs is a divisionary tactic that gay activists often use. The reason they do this is because it's alot easier to make the church/state argument, than trying to argue with logic.

Do we need to use the Bible to be able to come to the logical conclusion that murder doesn't benefit our society?
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#269886 - 08/13/04 12:36 AM Re: Marriage
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Your cannabalism analogy is really stupid so we'll ignore that.

Actually, the question posed to you was why there shouldn't be polygamy.

But since you brought it up, why exactly does same sex marriage not benefit society?
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#269887 - 08/13/04 05:14 PM Re: Marriage
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Rory

I think Churches should be illegal just as you do gay marriages
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#269888 - 08/13/04 05:19 PM Re: Marriage
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"why exactly does same sex marriage not benefit society"

Imagine if all the male fish tried to spawn only with other male fish and taught all the little fish that this was normal. How many fish would we have in a few years?
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#269889 - 08/13/04 05:34 PM Re: Marriage
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Here's my selfish take:

I'm in the process of getting divorced, so for every two guys out there that enter into a monogamous relationship together... that leaves me a couple more potential ex-wives! \:D
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#269890 - 08/13/04 05:36 PM Re: Marriage
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TK,

Are we having a shortage of humans?

Lame reason # 542.

Bring up marrying your dog, so we can discuss lame reason # 412.
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#269891 - 08/13/04 05:40 PM Re: Marriage
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Dans

Why would there have to be a shortage of humans to use a valid biological point as a con to gay marriage? Procreation in a family setting is one of the primary points of marriage that is undisputable. Try again.
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#269893 - 08/13/04 05:47 PM Re: Marriage
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4Salt , Are you the Gov of NJ? :p :p
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#269894 - 08/13/04 06:15 PM Re: Marriage
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Quote:
Originally posted by 4Salt:

I'm in the process of getting divorced, so for every two guys out there that enter into a monogamous relationship together... that leaves me a couple more potential ex-wives! \:D [/QB]
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Now that's a logical argument--it's hard to argue with logic.
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#269895 - 08/13/04 06:28 PM Re: Marriage
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"Did you happen to get introduced to DesertDog's youngest daughter? Divorced and she fishes. Not hard on the eyes either!"


Unfortunately I didn't Aunty. Perhaps I could persuade you to play matchmaker at the next 'Tilla. ;\) \:\)
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#269896 - 08/13/04 07:14 PM Re: Marriage
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Why would there have to be a shortage of humans to use a valid biological point as a con to gay marriage? Procreation in a family setting is one of the primary points of marriage that is undisputable. Try again.
Don't be a doofus, now. It's not a VALID biological point when there are 5 + billion people roaming the world. We're not going to run out, are we?

You gonna fight to ban marriage between those couples who choose to remain childless, too?

YOU try again.
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#269897 - 08/13/04 07:21 PM Re: Marriage
Theking Offline
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Dans,

We are not talking about the rest of the world we are talking about the US.
Thats like saying let the Steelhead die out there are plenty of fish in the world. It's a valid biological point even if you do not think so. BTW US birth rates are not keeping pace with the rest of the world which has dire economic consequences for your kids and grandkids. So you should be concerned about it even if you think it's a non issue.
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#269898 - 08/13/04 07:24 PM Re: Marriage
Dan S. Offline
It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

Registered: 03/07/99
Posts: 17149
Loc: SE Olympia, WA
Go outside HERE.

Any shortage of people?

Married HETEROSEXUALS are choosing not to have kids.........and this is due to gay marriage?

C'mon.

Dire economic consequences? Like making more money because there are less people competing for jobs?
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She was standin' alone over by the juke box, like she'd something to sell.
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#269899 - 08/13/04 07:34 PM Re: Marriage
Theking Offline
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One unrelated to the other as the question was about the effect of gay marriage on society.

It is a biological fact that being exclusively gay takes you out of the breeding pool. Whatever limited effect on the population does not change this as a biological fact. In context if violates one of the primary historical and cultural reasons for marriage. BTW hetrosexuals that do not have kids pay a tax penalty so there is even an economic reason to have kids.

Bottom line the majority of Americans feel gay marriage should be banned. They do not have to give a reason they can just vote. Now if the gay lobby wants to use the legislature to propose a law or an amendment allowing gay marriage they are free to do such. It will never pass. Using the courts to destroy our system of government and right ot self rule to force acceptance of gay marriage is wrong and un American.
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#269900 - 08/13/04 07:44 PM Re: Marriage
Dan S. Offline
It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

Registered: 03/07/99
Posts: 17149
Loc: SE Olympia, WA
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It is a biological fact that being exclusively gay takes you out of the breeding pool. Whatever limited effect on the population does not change this as a biological fact
OK, it's a biological fact..........but a fact that's meaningless in this conversation.
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She was standin' alone over by the juke box, like she'd something to sell.
I said "baby, what's the goin' price?" She told me to go to hell.

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#269901 - 08/13/04 07:46 PM Re: Marriage
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It is a biological fact that being exclusively gay takes you out of the breeding pool.

False....

Many Lesbians are finding sperm donors and having children. I assume that it is entirely possible that two gay men could find a surrogate mother with the same outcome.

Can two gay men breed? No. Can two lesbian women breed? No. Are they entirely out of the breeding pool? No.

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