Alright I am sure you have heard about the skit before the MNF game about Terrel Owens and the desperate housewives chick. Who do you think went to far do you think the Channel went to far about it or do you think the FCC is just blowing this way out of water. I read something that totally blew me out of the water today also. Michael Powell the head of the FCC said that skit was to racially disturbing. I am far from being a racist and I do not see anything wrong with a black man and white woman or a white man with a black woman. I believe Powell is taking this to far. I dont want anybody the head of the FCC that is a racist.

I just didn't like heo fact TO was in it. I really wish there was a DB or LB that would put a good hurtin on that guy. He's a great wo but has got to have the biggest mouth in th NFL. Prime Time wasn't even has bad as this fool. At least put someone in the commercial with some class...

Hot chicks in commercials can't be bad...

The FCC is leading the crusade at home. Fear them.

Another conspiracy. what are GH's buzz words for the next 4 years ? The Zealot evangelical rihgtwing Christians have panted chips into everyones brains to control their minds. Except left wing whacko's that rationalize everything with a conspiracy.

TK: I do not see any sort of conspiracy. That is usually the domain of paranoid right wing survivalist and such.

What I do see is evangelical Christian groups exercising ever more control of the airwaves to assure us that, God forbid, we see a peek of a womans breast or use the seven words certain to doom us all to hell. (Oops, I hope Hell isn't one of the words.)

There are some VERY repressed folks out there that think a woman's breast is somehow dirty. (Folks who ask that capital artwork be draped, and who tell us 9 11 happend bacause God is angry about our immoral ways.

I thought the GOP favored free choice and freedom of thought. Seems to me that folks who don't want to see such awful things as a womans bare back,which was all that was revealed in the commercial, or those nasty breasts could simply change the chanel.

If no one wanted to watch such awful stuff, the ratings would drop and the stations would stop showing it. Pure capitalism, the bulwark of the GOP. Right?

Dave,

"What I do see is evangelical Christian groups exercising ever more control of the airwaves to assure us that"

And the left wing liberals have had their way for over 40 years with the airwaves steadily going down hill. Why object to making it more reasonable? I personally do not mind the content and I know I can turn the station. But try driving down the road with your kids and hit a few buttons on the radio. Network TV is even worse.

"If no one wanted to watch such awful stuff, the ratings would drop and the stations would stop showing it. Pure capitalism, the bulwark of the GOP. Right?"

No it's called dumbing down. Pandering to the lowest common denominator.

And precisely why mothers get such grief for breast feeding in public places. It's assinine, especially when the Brits/Aussies etc. think nothing of it.

TK:

IMHO Rush the druggie and O’Riely, who admits no wrong, are the epitome of the dumbing down of America. But unlike some, I recognize that I should not try to impose my values on others. They did that in places like Iraq and Afghanistan.But we are freeing them to be able to make their own choices.

If you think a boob is a nasty thing, then shield your children from them, that's your issue. But no one should be able to dictate what I choose to watch.


BTW I see more of what you would call dumbed down programming on Fox than on any other channel. That's fine with me; I just change the channel if I don’t like what I see.

Hey what the heck the Yanomamo of the Amazon walk around with their Clamhammers dangling. It's completely natural and I am sure the NA's of this region did the same. So since it' s natural and cultural to the PNW lets go for it here.

"If you think a boob is a nasty thing, then shield your children from them, that's your issue. But no one should be able to dictate what I choose to watch. "

How is anyone dictating what you watch. you are free to watch what you want. As far a free media remember that the public owns the airwaves and leases them to private business with the understanding that they have an obligation to act in the publics best interest as defined by that public. The majority of people rule in this case not the minority.

I doubt that if the local store that your grandkids or maybe your wife, mom or grandmother frequent started displaying 1000 types of porn magazines in full view around every cash register you would support it.

As one who has been dumbed down by TV... huh..huh...huh... he said clamhammer!!!

Right along the lines of what I was going to say Aunty.

America has serious hang ups with the naked body and sexual issues.

Clamhammers?

EXACTLY! A breast is now the domain of the porn pushers, since the prim and proper condemn "breasts" as dirty and it sure as heck shouldn't be. It's a baby feeding appendage and should be acceptable.

Hey LT have you seen the women that choose to breast feed in public? Now you know why booze and sex are so closely tied. My god if i wanted to see mud flaps I would tail gate a dump truck

"It's a baby feeding appendage and should be acceptable."

Why does that make it more acceptable than what nudist feel about the rest of the body. Hey why whould someone have to find a rest room down town to take a dump when there is a perfectly good street gutter right there. Hey the chinese cannot be wrong and they are a majority. Oh! thats right breast feeding fits your def of whats acceptable and what others feel is acceptable is wrong. I keep forgeting about the double standard.

Sorry, but it is the most natural thing in the world, the healthiest thing for both baby and mom, and you're anal for trying to make it dirty when it isn't.

Nobody said you had to oogle and stare. You don't want to see it, DON'T LOOK. A woman should NOT have to hide in a nasty bathrrom someplace to feed her child.

A man should NOT have to hide in a nasty bathrrom someplace to take a leak or a dump. it's even more natural than breast feeding and unlike breast feeding you cannot live with out it and you have no choice but to go.

Aunty, since they voted for morals, values, and ethics there's a new line of Crusader Red Burkas being shipped to your local Wal-Mart as we speak.

Breastfeeding is NOT a bathroom function. Taking a pee or a dump IS A BATHROOM FUNCTION and what the room was created for.

A baby should never have to endure being fed in a bathroom and you are likely a very lousy father AND husband for suggesting so.

If you want government and businesses to build breast feeding rooms with comfy chairs and decor and relaxing music, feel free to get a measure on the ballot.

Otherwise, let the boobs hang out for the whole world to see.

"a new line of Crusader Red Burkas"

They are called Muu muu's here

And they are for chickenhawks to wear so that no one will know their true identity.

wow, MNF to socks with sand in 'em. We have come full circle..

And nobody thinks TO is an A$$?

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This board is going the way of nwfishing.com

He's the biggest ass in the NFL...........and that's saying something.

Are you afraid of tits Rory?

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Not at all.

I'm afraid of the shriveled up utters which is what most of the hairy armpitted, vegan, unbathed patchuli smelling fema-nazis have that insist on sharing them with the whole world.

Now if the woman in SundayMoney's Avatar wants to give nurishment to her child in public....that's fine.

AMAZING! Rory has stumbled upon the "discovery" that he has a choice of which ones he could "oogle" and which ones to avoid.

Brilliant. Maybe TK will evolve enough to realize the same. Unless of course, neither of them has the self control to avoid looking at ANY exposed breasts. :rolleyes:

:D

I don't think there's anything wrong (or 'dirty' as the 'enlightened' left likes to say) with breast feeding on public.

What I think is wrong is all the free plubicity this stupid show is getting from this liitle stunt...and that fact that millions of people are talking about it is proof that it worked.

The increased talk (interest) in Nicolette Sheridan's MNF spot will certainly bring higher ratings to her show the next time it's on.

That will ensure that we at some point see another 'titalating' spot/stunt on network TV to cause contreversy and increase interest in a star or show.

I am glad I 'quit' TV. Other than the sporting events, I really don't miss it that much. Far easier to quit than smoking, and almost as beneficial.
So I missed the MNF deal, and somehow , I don't feel I missed much. Turn off the TV for one week, just one, and see what happens. Just try it. You can always turn it back on.

KK

Anybody read any good books lately??

The feminazi's are all about a womans right to choose and branding men the enemy. Men are pigs if they object to the Le Leche leauge prowling the hospitals pressuring woman to breast feed. The feminazi's also have made sure that all women get asked if they are being emotionally or physically abused when they check in. Maybe they would not object to right wing groups letting women know that warehousing their kids in day cares and using nannies is detrimental to the kids and society and that it makes them bad mom's or that it's OK for a woman not to choose to breast feed and it does not mean she is a bad mother.

At LEAST you recognize it's the womans right to decide for herself. But no woman should feel confined to their homes just because they're nursing babies so as not to offend YOU.

And as to the other... I would prefer to see mothers staying home with their children at least until they start school, and I don't mean "pre-school." There are lots of "good" moms who "have" to work, but I always felt it was best if they don't.

Agreed elvis:
But how would they pay for the new SUV, or the time share on the Big Island? Not to mention the trips to Bellevue Square. If I were Governator (sorry Gpa) I'd demolish Bellevue Square, and...............wait, I'd just demolish Bellevue. Too many parents, abdicating their parental responsibilities, in pursuit of God knows what. It is truly a sad statement on society. Whoops, gotta go, 'Fear Factor ' is on.

KK

KK, There is hope for you

Wow. Suddenly, women who work only do so to buy luxuries?

How ill informed.

Speaking of TV and highjacking a thread, has anyone here ever seen the BBC documentary--

"7-UP"?

It was one of the most interesting things I've ever seen on TV. It was inspired by the Old Testament verse/saying (don't ask me where)~Give me a child until he's 7 and I'll give you the man.

It was originally filmed in post WWII England in the 50's w/ a group of 7 year old classmates--it studied the way they behaved and filmed them for an entire year at their school and the way they were raised by their parents and their homelife.

It then studied the exact same kids at their school and homes @ 14 and then again a @ 21 @ 28 and lastly when they were 35.

It was absolutely amazing to see that the same characteristics in their personalities at all the age levels from 7 to 35. The people they were at 7 were basically the same at 35~just a little bigger.

If anyone knows of this BBC series that was on PBS or where I might be able to get a tape of it please let me know.

AM:

Not all women do so, but I have almost 30 years in a service industry, primarily the tony Eastside, and primarily high end work. I've seen enough of it, but I know what you're saying. My Mom worked, after we were older kids, and it certainly wasn't for luxuries. Then again, luxuries were not something to aspire to, as we had all we needed, and more..
I know many friends who also work, and are somewhat uneasy about it.
A good life, and a good income, are not the same, nor are they mutually exclusive.
It all depends on what you deem most important. Too much emphasis is placed on material wealth, and the supposed status, and 'good life' it will bring. Vacuous , vapid people are the result, of both genders.
As an aside, I do not consider myself ill informed. I do, however, find you annoying at times.

KK

Aunty I agree and I am not trying to stir the pot with my next comment it is more a question.

I am all for women’s lib, don’t get me wrong. However I have often wondered if the Super Moms, the ones that want to be moms and have a career are were part of the problem with today’s society started.

Before women’s lib the moms stayed home and the house hold made ends meat on one budget. Then so many women went to work that a big majority of house holds had extra cash. Businesses found out they could raise prices, causing the house holds with non working moms to go to work to now afford ends meat. Now you have a society where both mom and dad work to get by when in the past we didn’t have to do this. Just a thought what do ya guys think? Again if moms want to work that is there choice I am just throwing out a thought. Is this what happened?

LT,

Back in those days you had one car a 1200 sf home with a small yard. If you had a boat it was a wooden row boat and the family vaction was to eastern wa. to go camping. As a kid I had two pairs of pants may 3 or 4 shirts and one pair of shoes. You took care of them because they had to last. We did not have a lot of toys we had to use our imaginations. A soda was a luxury and a cup of coffee for the folks was at home.

IMHO that does not sound like the avg. family today anywhere. It sounds like only the poor people that dropped out of school or made bad choices or just have below avg. desire or intelligence. Every one else as 10x the material possesions today vs. 40 years ago.

king

What you said makes sense to me

Any they're not any happier.

DanS,

Very true, even with mom dad and the kids on Prosac and every other happy pill made.

The simple life = happiness.

:D :p

I wonder why so many think making more dough will make them happier. It won't.

Fishing will make them happier.

For the love of money is the root of all evil

LT, I do think super moms are a part of the problem.

KK, You're also annoying and still pretty ill informed. Just about every single mom out there MUST work. Would you want them all to be on welfare instead?

"Just about every single mom out there MUST work. Would you want them all to be on welfare instead?"

No I would like to see them make better decisions to start off. Being a single mom is just as preventable as aids

AM:
I am sure that most every single Mom must work, and no, I don't want them all on welfare. Matter of fact, I think they should do what they feel is right, for themselves, and for their children. I would have them do just that, as I have no interest in telling them what to do with their lives.
This country , in its relentless pursuit of material wealth, and the trappings of so called success, has some serious issues to face. Working Moms, kids in day cares, single parent homes, are all symptoms of a broader problem. What exactly that problem's 'cure' is , I am not sure, but of its existance, I am quite certain.
I do my best to annoy, at times, but I am serious here, and to some, this may be my most annoying post of all. !! :p

KK

KK you should run for gov on that platform

We could even ammend the const. some day so even a liberal could be president and then run you

I hear ya king... but there IS something to be said for taking a couple of 'happy pills' (not Prozac... but some DO start with a P but mostly an O or a V ) and watching a movie by the fire on a rainy night.


You are also right about the simpler life. I was MUCH happier when I didn't have 2 mortgages, a stock portfolio, and an income in the 30% tax bracket...

Ahhh the good 'ol days...

'Liberals for Personal Responsibility'

Two more things that are not mutually exclusive.

KK

Wrong again. Single mothers may be divorced OR widowed, and it may very well NOT be their fault. Although, I bet if your wife were widowed, it WOULD be her fault and I doubt any court would convict her.

Yep it's always smart to treat the exception as the rule.

Aunty M,

Your last post was a beaut. So true. Gotta' love it.

Sorry TK, but you earned it.

Sincerely,

Salmo g.

Aunty I am with you. TK that comment you made was one of the most worst comments I have ever seen on this board I will say if I had any respect for you it is gone now. I know you dont care but I believe there is more than me on this board that feels that same way now after that loser comment.

Salmo,

"Wrong again. Single mothers may be divorced OR widowed, and it may very well NOT be their fault"

Your agreement with this statement shows how far men have fallen. Specifically in the NW. So lets add psuedo male to your list . The above statement is clearly the view of the feminist and their apologists.. It's a sexist statement that gives men all the power and women no responsiblity in the choices in their lives and relationships. Plainly that men are evil monsters that victimize women and women are not smart enough and must accept that role in life. Even sadder is the fact that so called enlightened men repeat such BS. Woman have at least 50% of the responsibility for their relationships good or bad. If a woman finds her self a single mom for any reason she has the ability to rise above it and prosper. It's well documented and well studied.