#36350 - 10/13/06 11:34 AM
Re: Sad day for the Kenai. . .
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The Chosen One
Registered: 02/09/00
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Loc: Mitulaville
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That sucks.
But, maybe on a more positive note, something will be done about the boat traffic and pollution problems and the Kenai *might* get a second chance...
Probably have to lose a few dollars now to gain a few dollars in the future.
Personally, I'd like to see the Kenai be a good fishery for many years to come. I don't travel all the way up to the Kenai because it sucks as much as our rivers down here do.
Clean up the Kenai AK. Please.
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#36351 - 10/13/06 12:16 PM
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Juvenille at Sea
Registered: 11/29/03
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Loc: Anchorage
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#36352 - 10/13/06 03:19 PM
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 12/29/99
Posts: 1604
Loc: Vancouver, Washington
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I'm not sure what is "sad". Is it that the Kenai River is being polluted with 600 gallons of fuel in July each year, or that it was designated as 'impaired' under the Clean Water Act. Or both.
The fact that the Kenai River has experienced alot of motorized recreation each summer is certainly not new; nor is it surprising the river may be suffering because of it. Perhaps some Alaskans are beginning to realize that their corner of the world isn't much different than the rest of the Pacific Northwest, as Carver correctly points out. That indeed is a sad commentary on what can happen to a river when is fully exploited by a user group; in this case, recreational anglers (like me).
Fortunately, the solution is easy. Ban motorized boats on the Kenai. Go to a DB fishery only. The problem isn't the boats or the anglers or the catch rates. It's the motors. Just think what the Kenai River would be like without all those sleds.......
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#36353 - 10/13/06 04:02 PM
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 12/24/01
Posts: 1877
Loc: Kingston, WA
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Originally posted by cohoangler: Fortunately, the solution is easy. Ban motorized boats on the Kenai. Go to a DB fishery only. The problem isn't the boats or the anglers or the catch rates. It's the motors. Just think what the Kenai River would be like without all those sleds....... Not entirely "easy". DB's are fine on the upper Kenai. But on the lower Kenai you have either: 1. high gradient big water or 2. tidal water. Neither are ideal for DB's. And from one end to the other you have serious access issues. To ban motors on this section you are effectively banning boats.
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#36354 - 10/13/06 07:47 PM
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Parr
Registered: 12/27/05
Posts: 40
Loc: Lynnwood
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I think it's a great plan to ban OB Motors on the Kenai. Maybe some sanity will return to this overfished resource. I'm all for DBs headwaters to mouth. This will definetly produce skinnier guides.
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#36355 - 10/13/06 09:22 PM
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 12/24/01
Posts: 1877
Loc: Kingston, WA
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It would be easier to be a galley slave on the high seas than to be guide with a DB on the Kenai.
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#36356 - 10/13/06 09:58 PM
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Returning Adult
Registered: 02/26/01
Posts: 277
Loc: Everett, WA.
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Save the river at all costs. If tourism is going to be a problem, Put in a launch or two for DBs? Maybe it will still be a neat place for my grandkids to go someday.
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#36357 - 10/13/06 10:10 PM
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Returning Adult
Registered: 03/27/05
Posts: 381
Loc: Snohomish
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What's Bob have to say about this. That generous joker that runs this site seems to get by very nicely with a DB.
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#36359 - 10/14/06 04:00 PM
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Fry
Registered: 09/24/06
Posts: 22
Loc: WAlaska
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A buddy of mine just returned from the skeena system in canada. His stories are of epic fish, beautiful scenery and NO SLEDS, single barbless hooks, etc etc etc!
That place is strict but well managed. The amount of regulations and restrictions are far overshadowed by the amount of BITING fish.....
I personally run a sled on a regular basis. i love it. its rad.
The above being stated. If me running my sled now threatens my childrens chance at salmon/steelhead i WOULD GLADLY give up my sled and drift.
I was lucky to grow up spring/summers on the Aluetian chain... I understand what alaska looks like and this news hurts me deeply.
Alaska is Shang-ri-La to all anglers.
the bottom line is We all need to make sacrifices locally and when we take trips to other regions to support mother nature.
we need to learn what we can about sportsmanship and respect from respectable people, follow there lead and be leaders in our own right by the example we set on the river and in our conversations.
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#36360 - 10/14/06 05:41 PM
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WINNER
Registered: 01/11/03
Posts: 10363
Loc: Olypen
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Does anyone have to prove that there is damage enough to warrent further regulations? Or is this a proposal for another unstated purpose? I personally have no idea, but am aware that fisherman usually are the best base of information....not state or fed employees. So what do you who fish the Kenai have to say?
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#36363 - 10/14/06 11:24 PM
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WINNER
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Salmo......I would just like to know if there have been obvious results of the "600 gallons/day" statement...like dead fish, birds, bears, fishermen, etc., that can verify a need to further regulate.
I wouldn't discount a water test, if I knew the details, like where, when, frequency of tests and the depth of samples and flow conditions, etc. Since fuel tends to float then evaporate, I have my doubts that fish are much affected by outboard exhaust. I would think that the fisherman would be more apt to suffer the effects of second-hand smoke than the fish. Am I wrong?
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#36364 - 10/15/06 01:03 AM
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Egg
Registered: 01/16/06
Posts: 2
Loc: Yakima, WA
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I like how the 50hp issue, was side-stepped by saying that it won't solve the water pollution problem. I say quit coming up with problems and start finding solutions. Going to 50hp would have been a start. All the "hubub" about needing to go to 35hp to cut down on bank erosion, has now been doing the opposite. A boat loaded with 5 people under limited power, causes more bank erosion than anything else. I say to solve the pollution problem, don't take motor's off the river, take polluting motors off the river. Motors should be checked to pass 2006 EPA emission standards...except that will never happen, because then all the older 2-strokes would be out, and that would create a guide/civilian issue. I just hope that before DNR, the feds, or whomever starts resticting, that they aren't too hasty. Any decision to limit use of this resource, can be extremly detrimental to the community and its patrons.
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#36365 - 10/16/06 10:22 AM
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 116
Loc: Soldotna, Alaska
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From Sunday's Peninsula Clarion:
Web posted Sunday, October 15, 2006
In the wake of pollution Focus of Kenai River motor debate switches to hydrocarbon levels By PATRICE KOHL Peninsula Clarion
Newly revealed concerns over hydrocarbon pollution in the Kenai River has added a new twist to the debate over whether horsepower limits should be increased from 35 to 50 for boat motors on the river.
High pollution levels found in the Kenai River for the last six years will likely place the river on a list of impaired waters under section 303d of the federal Clean Water Act, requiring the state to devise a plan to restore it.
The possible listing drew special attention to an unanswered question in the debate over horsepower limits on the river, at Thursday’s Kenai River Special Management Area Advisory Board meeting.
Most boats on the Kenai River are powered by 50 horsepower motors detuned to meet the river’s horsepower limit of 35, and board members questioned whether detuning draws down motor efficiency so that a detuned 50 horsepower motor pollutes just as much or more than a 50 horsepower motor that has not been detuned.
But while members of the Department of Environmental Conservation, Department of Natural Resources and Alaska Department of Fish and Game were present at the meeting, no one offered an answer.
Kent Patrick-Riley, DEC protection and restoration manager, said that while research shows a correlation between increased horsepower and pollution, that there is no research available that has tested the impact of detuning on motor efficiency.
Appearing to take a stand against a proposal to increase horsepower limits to 50 at a Sept. 28 KRSMA meeting, Patrick-Riley said increasing the horsepower limit from 35 to 50 would create a corresponding elevation in pollution levels, and called the proposed 50 horsepower limit a move in the wrong direction.
But at Thursday’s meeting the DEC presented a letter in which it said it did not take a position on the horsepower issue.
Retired Fish and Game biologist Ken Tarbox said this seemed oddly contradictory and faulted the DEC, DNR, Fish and Game, and other interest groups for failing to protect the river.
“Nobody is looking out for the river’s best interest in a comprehensive way,” he said.
DEC Division of Water Director Lynn Tomich Kent said the DEC’s concerns extend to other water quality issues as well, such as turbidity, and that if the proposed 50 horsepower limit can improve other water quality and environmental issues, those should be balanced with the hydrocarbon issue.
KRSMA first proposed an increase in horsepower limits based on results from the first phase of a Kenai River boat wake study, which suggests increased horsepower might play a role in reducing boat wakes by helping boats plane over the water rather than plow through it.
Opponents, however, argue the results of the first phase of the study suggest several additional factors, such as boat size and loading, could also play a role in reducing boat wakes and might offer a more prudent method of addressing boat wakes than the 50 horsepower proposal.
With respect to the hydrocarbons found in the Kenai River, DEC has said there is no question boat motors are responsible for the high pollution levels found in the river, levels that have exceeded state water quality standards every July for the last six years.
When asked to compare the discharge from boats in the Kenai River to the permitted discharge from oil platforms in Cook Inlet, Patrick-Riley said the boats on the Kenai River come out on top, contributing as much as 600 gallons of fuel into the river in a single day during the month of July, compared to the 300 gallons the platforms are allowed to discharge in a single day.
Fueling the debate
According to the Department of Environmental Conservation, boat motors on the Kenai River dump as much as 600 gallons of fuel in the river in a single day in July. By comparison, Cook Inlet oil platforms can discharge up to 300 gallons in a day.
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#36366 - 10/16/06 03:27 PM
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 12/29/99
Posts: 1604
Loc: Vancouver, Washington
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As I recall, isn't there one day a week where only DB's are allowed on the Kenai? They call it "Drift Boat Monday". Or is it Tuesday?
If "DB only" is okay for once a week, why not seven days a week during July? That would cure the problem quickly.
I just can't see the justification for continuing to allow 600 gallons of fuel a day to be released into the Kenai River. Or any other river of comparable size in the Pacific Northwest.
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#36367 - 10/16/06 04:11 PM
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The Chosen One
Registered: 02/09/00
Posts: 13951
Loc: Mitulaville
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Originally posted by ChignikKid: A buddy of mine just returned from the skeena system in canada. His stories are of epic fish, beautiful scenery and NO SLEDS, single barbless hooks, etc etc etc! Really? I saw quite a few sleds on the Skeena running clients 2 weeks ago. Are the rulez up there different during the salmon season?
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