Looks like they are trying to cover their a$$es by saying it was a test run.

My thoughts exactly!

NO SH*T!!!
I am HOT!!!. First the extension was BS. NOW this. I got drawn "supposedly "for a dream hunt. Meaning my couple of selections are totally awesome hunts. I was so jacked up I could hardly sleep. Then telling buddies about my hunt now I get kicked in the balls. I smell a rat. If I get new result saying "not selected" I may go postal at the WDFW headquaters.

Now you armchair quarterbacks are just plain whining.

Did any of you receive either mail or e-mail notification of you being drawn for a hunt? I doubt so. You were trying to short circuit the system, you thought you found something out early, and now you are pissed. You tried to exploit a weakness in their system, and got burnt. Get over it.

The regs said that they have until July 31st to notify us of being drawn, and that date has yet to pass.

Folks who have the points deserve to get credit for it. When I purchased my special permit apps, their was an error in the number of points that it showed due to me being drawn for AHE cow permits (which don't count against you). They said that the drawing would reflect the correct number of points in the drawing, and apparently it didn't. Certainly sounds plausible to be that they ran a test, and their system for adjusting for these AHE points didn't work.

Look out for the black helicopters, and I'm sorry that you got all butt hurt about this. It really was my fault, not theirs.

Your right Dogfish they have only been doing this for ten years, we should give them some slack.

"Due to technical difficulties" what a bunch of bullsh!t. The extension thing has happened for the past 3 years! WDFG has become a laughing stock. Our license fee are higher than most every other state around and we are getting nothing in return for it! Oh, thats right, we are getting lower catches for most species of fish. We are getting, nice, well maintained ramps to launch our vessels at. I'm sure others can chime in on were our money is going. Starting to think I will start hunting in other states again. It's a shame when you can't even get excited about hunting and fishing in your own state. For the $1000 it costs to buy out of state tags, including the expenses for the trip, you get a lot more for you money than you do here. Plus a much better chance of bagging an animal!

So they kept the drawings open for a few more days. Sure, I got mine in on time, but I don't feel slighted.

You were also using the incorrect website for finding out your hunt selections.

You are a bunch of whiny guys who sound like every other "wronged group" and feel that you are either ENTITLED to have everything run perfect, and go your way. Guess what, the world isn't perfect. Get over it Alice.

Sheesh, you guys sound like somebody's squawking 12 year old daughter because her shoes weren't the right shade of pink.

Wow dogfish you are being a littl eharsh arn't you...

Think of it this way.
WDFW says draw will be friday results will be posted saturday. So you go look saturday, on a WDFW website and see that you are selected, what do you think??? You think you are selected. Then wednesday after mistakes have been found they say oh that was just a test. After they said you can look here at your drawing history, and your current status... And the current status is what got me lookign there.
If i didn't get drawn i would have brushed it off as another year, another preference point just like the last 9.
But the WDFW told me i can see my tag STATUS there so that is where i checked...
There are people that think they should draw every year.
Now i do not know you so i will not make any statements about you or your statements, but i bet if you looked and drew a moose permit or a big bull permit and was fed a line of bull like some, your tune would change...

Now i have already heard some people say oh no it wouldn't matter, if it wasn't a fair draw i would always want it to be redrawn. Well how do you know that this next one will be fair??? Could be problems with the next one and really do not want to deal with it again????
Is there any watchdog on the WDFW??? Nope.
Now i am not really hot anymore, i am over it, but what i am mad about is being fed many different lines of bull.

So do you know for a fact that it was points missing???
I know for a fact that someone in my party was removed from the draw before it happened. We did not know that is what happened untill today, but the drawing was void of his name.
Also heard that there was double the moose permits issued.
Also heard that it was an even draw, nobody had any preference points.

All from the game department, so what do you want people to believe???

Oh yeah maybe now i will draw my desert buck tag...

Your absolutely right , how sellfish of me. Expecting something the state has involvement in to run even close to fair.I'd like to buy you lunch for your insight. You like knuckle sandwiches?

I'm harsh? What about all the folks bi-tchin at the WDFW?

Again, they said results by 7/31/07, and they provided a SPECIFIC website to check the results on, and yes, my elk permit ticket showed an incorrect number of preferrence points. The state hasn't passed the deadline yet, and the website they provide in the regs didn't show anything incorrect.

I do hope Dan's sons get a hunt or two, and you guys as well, but you really are sounding like a bunch of whiners. Sorry I upset you by comparing you to a 12 year old girl. Well, not really.

LMFAO, just f*cking with you Dogfish. I know your a good guy. Just upset about being c*ckteased by the WDFW. You know, got me all rutted up and then told me no,

And hey, theres a big difference between whining and be upset. I'm no whiner I'll guarantee you that, but yes I was upset.

So unbelievably excited..........

Then so terribly bummed.........

Andy, I must blame you. You spoke it, and it was so......

And for the record, I pretty much do feel like a 12 year old girl over this one.

My pet elk need thinning next month.

I think most everyone is mistaken on this. None of the links I checked for my draw results are WDFW. They are all Outdoor Central pages. I was never told by WDFW that I was drawn or not. Only by Outdoor Central. I even told my Dad and stepdaughter that they got drawn, but no one else did. Something is hinky here, but it is not just WDFW. WDFW is always hinky, we know that and should never believe anything unless we have it in writing. Then only believe what we actually see first hand. Now for all the sub-contractors this state uses, they rely on computers to do the work. Computers screw up more than people do. Just look at the election results over the years. It sucks, but we will all have to wait for the new drawing to be done.

So I have my Margaret or Toutle bull tag taken away......I will get it someday.

My bitch is the problems and lies we are being fed. I follow the rules and apply early and on time. Those that choose to apply late cause problems for the system and they extend the deadline. Would the state Lotto do that? We are not the only state that uses points or Outdoor Central. This is not the first time or first year that we have had problems with the draw. The other states don't seem to have the problems we have. Call one F&W number and get an explanation, call another number and you get another explanation. Send an email and again, a different answer. Leave a message about trapping and never get a reply. Call about tooth submittals and get fed bs by an office assistant that knows nothing. Send an email about any of the above and don't get a reply for going on 23 days. Call about a family members hunting or trapping status and have them tell you that they never held a license or completed a course.....and know that they are wrong.

I know that nothing is ever perfect, but a guy can only take so much.

Amen brother, Amen. WDFW couln't organize a three year olds birthday party yet we pay the highest resident fees around. I think I know their employee's and managment's mentallity. "My checks the same" Am I right?

Dan,

I know you know what a 12 year old girl acts like. Am I wrong?

Two more weeks, and we'll have our answers.

So good to finally see someone say that perhaps our fine State of Washington Fish and Wildlife Department may have f'd up. So many of you appreciate the fairness in a redraw, but aren't looking at the people applying for these permits that have multiple years of points built up for a specific hunt. Seeing that some of you respect this and appreciate the drawing did take place (trial drawing my a#s), and the States mistake is a huge mess up, makes me confident that perhaps this will find justice in the near future. Riverswild, you're right, I've been fed bs also on this whole deal. I didn't get my draw, but my dad saw that he got his after 8 points worth, 8 years, and is now in limbo. With 8 points accumulated someone should expect their draw. This point system seems weird anyways with people recieving points for reporting poachers, etc... I hope since my dad, after having a heart attack and surviving it last month, and seeing the results of this draw said, "this is the hunt of a lifetime" gets the opportunity to participate in the hunt. Let the WDFW call him personally and say, "gees, sorry but we f'd up". GOOD JOB WDFW. Not only is it my dad, it's kids, wives, and even you.... Now what do we do, just stand back and get yeehawed in the pooper? Great! Thanks Big Jim, I like the word hinky!

seems to me that in the very beginning that I claimed that the WDFW f'd up but was quickly told it wasn't their fault, that it was Outdoor Centrals fault.

WDFW is a big operation with big shoulders, they can handle some dumping on. Besides they should be used to it by now