#384733 - 10/28/07 09:27 PM
Re: Can I eat this mushrooms? Growing my back yard
[Re: BrianL]
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River Nutrients
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Damn - this one has VHawk written all over it.  IMHO not worth it if you're not sure. I've grilled a few chantrelles I found in a nearby pine grove, but they're distinctive enough not to be confused with any poisonous varieties. Bon Apetite, Brian I have to give proper credit to everyone for excellent advice all around. Usually there's one jackhole who'll give out some advice that's downright stupid. Well that guy must be on vacation 'cause I didn't see any bad advice here. I will share a personal story that's put me off from ever eating wild mushrooms. Working in the CCU in Boise one night, took a patient that came from a state home for the disabled. One of the nursing assistants had shared some wild mushrooms (that looked like morels) with the kid, and a supervisor found out about it and had a fit. The kid looked fine at about 4 hours post ingestion, when he was first admitted to a med-surgical bed for just observation. At 7 hours post ingestion he wasn't feeling too good and was transferred to my bed on the CCU. At 8 hours post ingestion we were doing CPR. I saw the guy who had shared his find with the kid. He brought in the mushrooms he had leftover. He had also eaten them as well, but wasn't sick. It only took one wrong ID out of a basket of otherwise edible 'shrooms. One kid dead, one left with a burden that'll last the rest of his own life. He was trying to be nice, and share something personal with one of the kids he took care of. It was incredibly depressing, and one of the longest code blue's I've ever done. We did cardiac compressions intermittantly for four hours. Started sometime after 1am, and finally called it quits as the early summer sun was just starting to backlight the Boise foothills. I don't eat wild mushrooms. "There are old mushroom hunters, there are bold mushroom hunters - but there are no old, bold mushroom hunters." VHawk
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#384735 - 10/28/07 09:45 PM
Re: Can I eat this mushrooms? Growing my back yard
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River Nutrients
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At 67, I also don't eat "wild mushrooms".......I like to see 68+, just not worth it. If I want mushrooms, and I love to eat them......either canned or Safeway, Top Foods, is my places to get them.
VHawk.....nothing like a "reality story".......to change a person's mind about whether to eat or not eat.
Tks.............
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#384745 - 10/28/07 10:13 PM
Re: Can I eat this mushrooms? Growing my back yard
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Dick Nipples
Registered: 03/08/99
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Anyone looking to actually eat a mushroom that they can't ID, relying upon the advice of fishermen based on a picture posted on the internet, ought to seriously consider a different source of information before eating said mushroom...I'm not sure I can think of a quicker and easier way to be in an ambulance on the way to the hospital in a few hours.
Take dried samples to the mushroom lab at the U of W...they will tell you what it is, and if you can eat it...
Ditto what rvrfshr said...neither of us had ever seen such an array of mushrooms in one place...and a few were the more obvious edibles, and in some fairly large quantities...there will be some harvest going on there next fall, to be sure.
Chantrelles, oysters, and Shaggy Manes...and a handful of others that we couldn't identify...some were making me trip out just by looking at 'em...but that might have been due to exhaustion from the two mile bushwhack up hill both ways that we did to get to some obscure stream full of nothin'...
Fall on the OP...doesn't get any better'n'at.
Fish on...
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#384760 - 10/28/07 10:37 PM
Re: Can I eat this mushrooms? Growing my back yard
[Re: Todd]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/15/99
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Loc: Poulsbo, WA,USA
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I eat wild chantrelles. I picked a bunch last month at my secret spot. Both the yellow/orange and the white variety. They're pretty easy to identify. And they grow in second growth fir. I used to pick the orange/yellow variety with my dad when I was younger. Somebody else turned me on to the white "pig's ear". I found one that was strange because it appeared smaller chantrelles were rooting from the main shroom.
I've found a few shaggy manes in my lawn but I've never picked them because there's only a few and I've never eaten them before. I heard they go bad when they darken, turn inky. In fact I just stick with the chantrelles.
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#384789 - 10/29/07 12:26 AM
Re: Can I eat this mushrooms? Growing my back yard
[Re: Neal M]
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_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ off Swauk/Bluett in the spring for _ _ _ _ _ _ . Man they are the best eating in the entire world, dare I say better than the meat dish they are typically prepared with.
* They "DO NOT" resemble the one's in bongo's yard !
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#384814 - 10/29/07 07:38 AM
Re: Can I eat this mushrooms? Growing my back yard
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River Nutrients
Registered: 07/11/04
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Just stick with the purple 2-minuter's and you wont have to fret about the one's in you yard!!
Serously send a sample to the UW as Todd suggests. I have a friend who is an avid picker yet still sends a sample of everything he collects to the UW.
Just hope thier mushroom team is better then their football team!
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#384833 - 10/29/07 11:29 AM
Re: Can I eat this mushrooms? Growing my back yard
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The Original Boat Ho
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Check out psms.org (Puget Sound Mycological Society). I believe that you can bring Mushrooms in (UW Center for Urban Horticulture) on Mondays for identification. Also if you contact them they have someone they can refer you to in your area.
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#384843 - 10/29/07 12:05 PM
Re: Can I eat this mushrooms? Growing my back yard
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The Original Boat Ho
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Master Gardener ID Clinics:
Last June PSMS started a great collaboration with the Master Gardener clinics on Monday afternoons at CUH. For a few weeks in the Fall and Spring, one of our members will be available to help the public in mushroom identification and with mushroom information. We need some of you to step up and volunteer for sitting during the clinic hours to help with this project.
The dates for this Fall are:
September 17, 24
October 1, 8, 15, 22, 29
November 5, 12, 19, 26
For next spring they are:
April 28
May 5, 12, 19, 26
June 2, 9, 16, 23
The clinics are held from 4 to 7 PM, usually in the atrium of CUH. Normally two Master Gardeners are there for all gardening enquires, and now one or two people from PSMS will also be available for people to drop in with their mushroom findings and ask questions. All our literature will be there for consultation.
For more information and to sign up, contact Cynthia Nuzzi at (206) 232–1320 or idclinics@psms.org. This year should be great for this new program. I look forward to seeing it mushrooming. Choose a date and sign up as soon as you can. Thank you all.
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#385037 - 10/30/07 02:39 AM
Re: Can I eat this mushrooms? Growing my back yard
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Returning Adult
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Took a hike a couple weeks ago out on the OP and walked into Alice's Wonderland... About six different, stunning species growing in harmony in a sun-finger ray corridor, all edible... Although if you did eat them you'd probably still be out there thinking you were Pan, a sprite or a piece of moss !
Sounds like Aminita Muscaria... Reddish/orange cap with white spots???
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#385039 - 10/30/07 02:47 AM
Re: Can I eat this mushrooms? Growing my back yard
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Seriously do not eat these without first ID'ing them.
The best way to ID this mushroom is with a good mycology book that catalogs multiple pictures of each specimen and also shows the gill print of the mushroom. Just like a finger print each mushroom has some highly definable charactaristics to it that set it apart from other mushrooms. One of the features used to determine which you are dealing with is to place the mushroom gill down on a piece of white paper until the spores have been liberally deposited on the paper. The spores are different colors and will dispurse differently depending on the mushroom. From there you should be able to ID along with size, color, gill or non-gill, stem, cap, etc. You can ID them but you need a really good field guide to do so. Even then with some species you are rolling the dice.
Best go to Safeway unless you can positively ID.
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#385071 - 10/30/07 11:38 AM
Re: Can I eat this mushrooms? Growing my back yard
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Reverend Tarpones
Registered: 10/09/02
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Loc: West Duvall
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Sol: What happened to the big sack?
There are hundreds of thousands of us amature mushroom hunters and we are only about .0003457 as likely to get sick as we are to be hit by lightning while out hunting mushrooms. (Okay, I made up that stat., but truth is I hear more about guys drowning while fishing than I do about accidental mushroom poisoning.) If a person takes the time to learn what hey can and can not eat mushrooming is far safer than many other outdoor sports.
Have you eve sen the huge camps in the Terrace area where as many as 300 pickers try to strike it rich hunting Pine mushrooms? Those are sold all over the world.
I only eat about three varieties, which do not have any poisonous look alikes.
Edited by Dave Vedder (10/30/07 11:42 AM)
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#385107 - 10/30/07 02:09 PM
Re: Can I eat this mushrooms? Growing my back yard
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River Nutrients
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I've never know anyone to even get sick off of mushrooms, urban legend mostly.
I heard someone say the same thing about influenza actually killing people. He said that to my face after I asked him if he got his flu shots yet. And then he told me that the flu vaccine kills more people than the flu. The guy was a plumber. From the FDA food safety website. Specific cases of mistaken mushroom identity appears frequently. The Early False Morel Gyromitra esculenta is easily confused with the true Morel Morchella esculenta, and poisonings have occurred after consumption of fresh or cooked Gyromitra. Gyromitra poisonings have also occurred after ingestion of commercially available "morels" contaminated with G. esculenta. The commercial sources for these fungi (which have not yet been successfully cultivated on a large scale) are field collection of wild morels by semiprofessionals.
Cultivated commercial mushrooms of whatever species are almost never implicated in poisoning outbreaks unless there are associated problems such as improper canning (which lead to bacterial food poisoning). A short list of the mushrooms responsible for serious poisonings and the edible mushrooms with which they are confused is presented in Table 3. Producers of mild gastroenteritis are too numerous to list here, but include members of many of the most abundant genera, including Agaricus, Boletus, Lactarius, Russula, Tricholoma, Coprinus, Pluteus, and others.
The Inky Cap Mushroom (Coprinus atrimentarius) is considered both edible and delicious, and only the unwary who consume alcohol after eating this mushroom need be concerned. Some other members of the genus Coprinus (Shaggy Mane, C. comatus; Glistening Inky Cap, C. micaceus, and others) and some of the larger members of the Lepiota family such as the Parasol Mushroom (Leucocoprinus procera) do not contain coprine and do not cause this effect.
The potentially deadly Sorrel Webcap Mushroom (Cortinarius orellanus) is not easily distinguished from nonpoisonous webcaps belonging to the same distinctive genus, and all should be avoided. Serious mushroom hunters are usually a pretty intelligent group of people. I just wouldn't trust gambling my liver over a lunch.
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#385128 - 10/30/07 03:31 PM
Re: Can I eat this mushrooms? Growing my back yard
[Re: Chip Goodhue]
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Spawner
Registered: 09/17/04
Posts: 594
Loc: Seattle
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Probably Aragicus Campestris, which is similar to the common store bought mushroom, though it could be Agaricus Augustus (also known as the "Prince"), one of the finest eating of all wild mushrooms. If it is the Prince, the flesh when crushed should have a distinctive almond or marzipan-like odor. We eat these regularly.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, THERE ARE MANY AGARICUS SPECIES WITH SIMILAR APPEARANCE THAT WILL MAKE YOU SICK. UNLESS YOU HAVE A QUALIFIED FUNGOPHILE IDENTIFY THEM IN HAND, YOU SHOULD NOT EAT THEM.
SIMILAR-LOOKING ARAGICUS SPECIES THAT OCCUR LOCALLY AND ARE POISIONOUS, BUT WITH SUBTLE APPEARANCE DIFFERENCES (INCUDING LACK OF ALMOND ODOR, OR PRESENCE OF A FOUL ODOR OR STAINING OF THE FLESH WHEN BRUISED), INCLUDE Agaricus placomyces, Agaricus praeclaresquamosus, Agaricus xanthodermus, and several others. The results of eating a poisonous variety of Aragicus include sweating, flushing and severe stomach cramps.
From the photo they appear to be Aragicus Campestris but the warnings should be taken seriously. A friend regularly ate Aragicus Campestris which grew in his lawn in Seattle. He was visiting his brother in Kansas and saw the same mushroom growing on the lawn there. They both tried one small bite. 24 hours later they were discharged from the emergency room, still not feeling well, after having their stomachs pumped. Eating wild mushrooms is one of the delights of the northwest where we have so many varieties but you do have to know what you are doing. The same is true if you harvest your own clams, mussels, and oysters. The wrong place or time and you can get very sick and even die eating them. Eating chinook belly strips or Puget Sound blackmouth regularly probably have more long term health risks than most wild foods. I just finished three days of razor clam and chantrelle meals, If I could have left Seattle before noon Friday I might have been able to stop at the Hump for salmon too. We can't complain, what we got in our 10 hour round trip was better than anything we could buy at the store. I like to know where, what I eat comes from, it is what you don't know that gets you.
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#385129 - 10/30/07 03:32 PM
Re: Can I eat this mushrooms? Growing my back yard
[Re: Neal M]
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 12/29/99
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Loc: Vancouver, Washington
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Don't eat it. As someone else already posted, that's a species of Argaricus. But it's not one of the edible variety. The chocolate-brown gills (when mature) is an easy identifier. It may be A. silvaticus. This species won't kill you but they don't taste very good and you may end up vomiting for a day or two.
I have them coming up all over my yard too.
There are several very good species of Argaricus including A. campestris and A. augustus. Both of these are coming up right now. Be sure you know how to identify them before you eat them.
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