Going back to Pg.1 Why is it you have to have a license for a pet. But not for a child. Like pass some test to prove the ability to provide and take care of the child. Whatever..... Flame On ........

My favorite is the "failure to comply" law. (see sig line) Kinda puts all the marbles in the cop's bag, so to speak. Doesn't matter if you've done anything wrong, if you tell a smartass cop to "shove it....get out of my face" you're going down....

Idiots with the mental concept of "if it saves one life, it's worth it" are cannibalizing my heritage.

I hate to write people tickets. I hate getting them. One has to earn one from me....And yes...even cops can get tickets... I was going to the boat show last year when this bloated motorcycle cop pulls me over. My wife's car had expired tabs (by one week) He just asked for my stuff and came back and threw the ticket on my lap.Didn't bother with any "selling" of the thing. I took it to court later...which is always a good idea, by the way, and had it reduced. I never told anyone I was a cop.

I can see why people dislike us at times...I definitely disliked him.

Yeah...drug testing? If it is a public safety issue, probably a good idea. If they are just on a witch hunt, bad idea.

Welfare.....I see it horribly abused everyday so even if anyone cares about my opinion, it is pretty biased. There are those that truly need it.

Dude, you had a get out of jail free card and you didn't even play it. That's cool.

So how do you justify testing someone that has a medical cannibus card?

What happens if someone goes up to Alaska or Amsterdam on vacation, where it's not against the law to use and then they come back to work and have to take a test?

One major problem with drug testing is they don't test for active drugs. They test for metabolites and other agents that show PAST use. Are you saying someone can't smoke weed today, and be coherent and competent a day, or a week, or a month later? THC metabolites can be present weeks after use, and are a p!ss-poor indicator of whether someone is using on the job.

Here's something I found amusing. After a train operator in NYC piled his train into the station and killed a bunch of people, they implemented a drug-testing program for train operators. You know, because this particular guy was DRUNK at the controls. Drunk at the controls? Let's implement drug-testing. F'n brilliance like that comes from people who need to be drug tested themselves.

Except they'd pass............and apparently being so f'ing stupid you should be prevented from breeding is OK.

The problem with that is that it is not legal here so you really don't get a free pass because you debauched it up elsewhere....Medical marijuana is not a free pass either. If you need it, you probably aren't working a physical job anyway.

In that case, I would think an employer would work with that person on an individual basis. Like was said before, the primary reason to test people is for safety and lower insurance.

You still need to show you are not impaired no matter what you're operating. While I don't get moralistic over weed, I don't want my pilot, train engineer, other drivers, etc....to be high on it.

Nobody wants their pilot, engineer, or other drivers high on anything.

But the fact remains that they don't give your pilot, engineer or other drivers a breathalyzer before they take their controls.......so why is that if drug testing is for public safety?

It's about liability for insurance companies. And if it isn't, it sure appears to be that way, at least to me.

"while on the clock" being the operative subject.

Do I?

And WTF did you get that?

you're comments are spot on and frankly amazing to me coming from a LEO as i don't want my pilot or driver stoned either but could give a rats behind if the secratary or lot kid or my friend just blew a doobie
but the problem with testing for that particular substance is that it has a long life in your system and the fun you had in vansterdam 2-3 weeks ago shows up like you just torched a blunt 2 hours ago while being tested while alchohol blows in and out in what? 12 hours?
regardless, after watching the negative effects leo has had on many family and freinds over the decades because of the WOD, it's really nice to see a true old protect and serve kinda of leo post
kudo's at ya goinfishin for keeping protect and serve alive

Welcome to F'n America, where double standard is a value we instill in our children, could it be frowned upon to "profile" middle eastern people (potential terrorists) at the airports and boarders, yet be justified as ok when applied to US citizens in lue of our amendment rights to privacy and freedom.

some of you are admitted marijuana users and my question for you is: have any of you applied for life and/or health insurance policies that required blood and/or urine samples?

If you want to know if something is really bad or harmful, find out if you are insurable or what the rates are for the policy. I have an acquaintance that has a million dollar life insurance policy. He is a daily pot smoker. Insurance never batted an eye, but they wouldn't release his own evaluation to him until his lawyer worked on it for a year.

Word on the street is you can buy stuff so you can pass those tests. Just something I heard.

Do you think the pharmacuetical companies want your husband using pot instead of oxy? That's rhetorical, I know you're a smart one Aunty!

As far as pot goes, there is not one scientific study that shows it is harmful physically. This is due to confounded results - all tests for health effects of pot were conducted on cigarette smokers (that smoked weed)!

Having said that, I don't believe our lungs were made to operate on smoke of any kind - I just know that the studies are f@cked.

I tried to get life insurace a couple of years ago when we took out the monsterous mortgage on our home. I was denied.

My lifes philosophy has changed quite a bit since then, with the divorce and all. Fuc% life insurance. Live debt free, eat right, excersize and stay as healthy as possible. I've excepted my addictive nature and work towards moderation instead of abstinance. I.E., if I feel the need to go overboard, I limit it to weekends and focus on the gym durring the week. It's been working so far.

You were denied because you were married - the insurance company knew your wife was killing you!

Ya and its a slow painful death, I would rather just be put out of my misery

We were killing each other, it wasn't all her fault. A "church-going conservative" living under the same roof as an "anything-goes, wild ass" was a prescription for disaster. Bad match from the get-go.

At least you always admit your personal responsibility