I agree the one fish limit was in place to plolong the season. Whether or not it was conclusinve in doing that, is yet to be determined.



Who ever stated anything about wanting more fish, ever!

Aunty,

Answer this one question and I am done with this topic.

If 350 boats fished the Willamette today and 16 fish were taken. Would it matter if the limit was 1 or 3 fish. Would any more fish have been taken from the river had the limit been increased?

The answer is obviously NO.

That is what this whole post is about. The DFW didn't save anything by limiting the fishery to a 1 fish limit. So long as the amount of anglers on the water more than doubles the amount of fish to be had, it will never effect the final daily count. Not until you have everyone on the water with a limit of fish, will the limit amount matter.

It is a trump card the DFW plays to thign they are helping the run when they admitted themselves that it only makes a 1% difference.

Lets look real hard here to see where I asked for more fish? Hmmmm. I didn't. Anyone find where i'm being greedy?

When there are more fisherman than fish, the efforts never fade and fish will always lose. There are over 300,000 licensed fisherman on in Oregon, and one would believe that many in Washington. If everybody was to catch just one fish a year, The run would be gone.

I believe we need to stagger the openings to aloow a certain percentage of fish to pass without interference from teh fisherman. Open the river every other day, or something like that. NOt to extend the season any longer, but to allow some to get by. Sportfisherman combined with netter have already taken more fish from the ower river than has passed the dam.

Look at the counts fall off again this week. 269,000 fish is a pipe dream. It's almost May 1st and you will be hard pressed to fisd a year with 269,000 fish and this low of numbers accross the dam so far. It's not gonna happen and we already caught our anticipated allotment from a hypothetical run that is not amounting to a hill of beans. Fish lose again.

Page 8.

Wow.

Hey Bob

You need to get a smilie that beats a dead horse.

I agree the hatchery fish are raised to be harvested. But, if you don't get enough of them back to spawn them, you have a problem. It's like draining the dam becuase you think it will fill up with rain water. Who ever believed we would have a dry spring and not get all the water we needed. We all saw that happen in 2001. Maybe allowing more fish in the front of the urn isn't a smart idea. I really can't say. I think it might make us look better if we give a little more before we take. I think there are rivers and streams upriver that are taking the blow of our harvest below the wall.I do know the ones that go over Bonneville first are the ones headed the farthest up the system. Whether or not there are any wild fish past those 8 dams is argueable. We all know that many years went by without fish passage at several of those dams. that's a whole nother dilema.

Again you avoided the question. The question I asked WAS about the Willamette. Can you answer it?



That's what the DFW wants you to believe. If the reduced limit helped prolong the fishery, where did it help? Did everyone quit fishing at 3:00 pm on wednesdays. NO! The presure never faded and the fish kept dying. No less fish were taken.Sure a selected handful of really good anglers caught limits on several days, and several of those guys grabbed another boat load of fishermen and achieved the same thing. Therfore making the one fish limit non effective in reducing the total nubmer caught. the people never quit fishing or killing fish.

You can use this one for now...



I wonder if that one will push it on to page 9?

"I wonder if that one will push it on to page 9? "

Hell, yeah!!

Gee wilikers! Thanks mister

If ya knew that then why did ya keep fishing.

I agree

For the same reason you are gonna fish for them when they get in your backyard. My family like to eat them. Anymore dum questions?

Kevin I would Just give up..... She is avoiding the Truth. 16 fish is 16 fish no matter how you stack it up.

Todd,
You can give up whenever you are ready, I will stay for the conclusion. Maybe you should contribute to the thread rather than making jokes about it. Don't take it personal, I am very interested in these fish and how it ends.

I have to catch one first. Yeah they do taste good but I really just like to get out and enjoy the experience. Oh yeah and post pics and have folks pat me on the back.

Who ever stated anything about wanting more fish, ever!

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I want to catch more fish and I want more of a the allocation percentage for the sport fishermen.

Question for you: What are your feelings about the fish landed in a “guide” boat counting to the commercial harvest rather than the sport quota?

So now we have resorted to name calling. Really shows some class!

Aunty, you avoid answering the question because you are afraid to admit I am right. If the answer is yes. How did the fish know the limit went up. Why did they choose to bite twice as much. They had no clue and the limit meant nothing as to how many fish were gonna die that day. Unless only 1 boat was able to fish for the day, and the fising was really hot. Then and only then would a limit have an effect.

If you limited the amount of money someone could earn, but the vast majority never even came close to it. And the few who did reach the limit were only a small few, like 5 %. Would it have an impact worth taking about. Did it actually effect the total amount of income when a majority of the population never even came close to the cap. NO!

Everyone in the boat that lands a fish has the same tag as YOU. So should we include your catch as part of the commercial too. I don't have a commercial fishing license. I have a sportfishing license. I don't sell dead fish, I sell an opportunity to harvest a sportcaught fish.

i'll be back later.............

Kevin Lund.. if you wrote a paper on your theory and turned it in at school.. you would get an F -

The note on the bottom would say.. see me after class. I am dumber now for having read this, yet am concerned that you need special education in math.

Bottom line, some how some way you think you didn't get something, but you don't understand how to say that without just saying it.

Done.

I wonder how ODFW and WDFW are going to be able to facter in the "biting factor" into the equation for quotas?