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#477330 - 01/04/09 09:00 PM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: litlcleo]
goharley Offline
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Originally Posted By: Krijack
...you should count how many people were killed and then kill only the same amount; and that if you use a bigger gun or kill more, you are the agressor and immoral one.
That's not what I said, but if we continue to play with your police analogy, can that policeman enter an apartment building and kill every occupant inside because someone from one apartment shot at him? I hope you agree, no.

Israel has missles shot at them so they react in kind by firing missles back. I'm okay with that. But four Israelis die, so they in turn kill 400 Palestinians yet continue firing missles into Gaza; I'm questioning why some feel that's okay.
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#477388 - 01/04/09 10:35 PM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: ]
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Do any of the posters who defend or approve of Israel have an understanding of the history of the area? If so, what makes the Israelis more of the white hat guys than the Palestinians?

As I see it, the Arabs sponsor disorganized and unregulated terrorism against Israel, and Israel inflicts state sponsored terrorism against Palestinians over the last 60 years. When it comes to the Israel - Arab conflict, there are no good guys.

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#477389 - 01/04/09 10:39 PM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: Salmo g.]
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Israelis, even if they don't think Jesus Christ is the Savior, at least spring from the same God-Worship as Christians, and if you think that doesn't matter, then you are fooling yourself.

For the Apolocalyptic Fundamentalists, Christ won't return to Earth until the Jews occupy all of the Promised Land...and again, if you don't think that hasn't figured into our foreign policies, then you are fooling yourself again.

Fish on...

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#477394 - 01/04/09 10:51 PM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: Todd]
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state sponsored or unregulated and disorganised....what difference does that make? According to that thinking, its all terrorism.. and should be viewed by the rest of the world as evil. Isreal just has more efficient ways to defend themselves than the Palestinians, so the Isrealis are the terrorists? The Palestinians keep bringing knives to a gunfight.

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#477398 - 01/04/09 10:56 PM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: Vidiotic]
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Hamas is the smallest of Israeli concerns...this is just how they practice for when Iran, Syria, Lebanon or most likely Pakistan come after them...the worst is yet to come in this conflict, its just a matter of when
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#477409 - 01/04/09 11:06 PM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: Vidiotic]
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Originally Posted By: Vidiotic
The Palestinians keep bringing knives to a gunfight.
We could easily level the playing field by cutting off aid to Israel. We give them more foreign aid than any other country, and more than 90% of that aid is given right back to our military-industrial complex. Ergo, the argument can be made that we have socialized our defense industry through an ingenious money laundering scheme with the help of Israel. (But that's another thread all together.)

So let Israel fend for themselves and find out if they truly are "God's chosen people."
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#477469 - 01/05/09 02:29 AM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: ]
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Didn't make it past the first sentence in the subject article, "For eighteen months the entire 1.5 million people of Gaza experienced a punishing blockade imposed by Israel." It should read and Egypt!!!! Egypt closed down the smuggling tunnels and supported said "punishing blockaid."
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#477502 - 01/05/09 01:01 PM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: BroodBuster]
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Maybe Hamas should have brought supplies for the people of Gaza through the under the border tunnels instead of arms and missles. Why would a country agree to an extention of a ceasefire that was never followed by Hamas?
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#477519 - 01/05/09 01:46 PM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: Jerry Garcia]
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I watched an interview last night with a Muslim spokesman about the issue. His take was isreal is terrorists and would not condemn the rockets, suicide bombings, and other nefarious acts put out by the muslim fundamentlists. Israel would destroy the whole middle east if provoked into it IMHO. Most of those backwards ass pirates wouldn't stand a chance.
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#477533 - 01/05/09 02:02 PM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: willametteriveroutlaw]
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If that piece of real estate is such a problem, then maybe nobody should live there, maybe just relocate the people from both sides and bulldoze the whole fricken city (cities).

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#477558 - 01/05/09 02:49 PM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: Oregonian]
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Or take a lesson from us and dole out blankets and whiskey.
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#477565 - 01/05/09 02:59 PM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: stlhead]
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Originally Posted By: stlhead
Or take a lesson from us and dole out blankets and whiskey.


We lobbing rockets accross the fence ?

We been killing each other over ancient disagreements ?

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#477569 - 01/05/09 03:09 PM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: willametteriveroutlaw]
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Originally Posted By: willametteriveroutlaw
Most of those backwards ass pirates wouldn't stand a chance.
Hezbollah got a good chuckle out of that one.

BTW, I watched an interview with an Israeli who felt the Palestinians are just worthless terrorists, yet he made no condemnation of the past actions of Arial Sharon, the disproportionate retaliation to Hamas rockets, or the fact that Gaza has been literally under siege for over two years. Go figure.
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#477672 - 01/05/09 08:16 PM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: goharley]
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do i detect a whiff of anti semitism in this thread?

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#477676 - 01/05/09 08:30 PM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: Vidiotic]
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Originally Posted By: Vidiotic
do i detect a whiff of anti semitism in this thread?


I think you're smelling your upper lip.
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#477677 - 01/05/09 08:36 PM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: Wooly Bully]
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no, wait that's just wooly's breath

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#477693 - 01/05/09 09:13 PM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: Vidiotic]
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Originally Posted By: Vidiotic
do i detect a whiff of anti semitism in this thread?
No more than anti-Muslim xenophobia.
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#477702 - 01/05/09 09:21 PM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: goharley]
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Actually... Vidiot is somewhat correct GH. Palestinian Arabs are considered "Semites" too... and our illustrious Fundamentalist Evangelical Christian right in this country just LOVES to hate 'em.

The term Semite means a member of any of various ancient and modern people originating in southwestern Asia, including Akkadians, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Hebrews, Arabs, and Ethiopian Semites.

The word "Semitic" is an adjective derived from Shem, one of the three sons of Noah in the Bible (Genesis 5.32, 6.10, 10.21), or more precisely from the Greek derivative of that name, namely &#931;&#951;&#956; (S&#275;m); the noun form referring to a person is Semite.
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#477730 - 01/05/09 10:27 PM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: 4Salt]
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Damn. Wow, I didn't know all that. I'd always just thought Semite referred to Jews, so I never bothered to research it. Learn something new everyday here. smile
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#477754 - 01/05/09 11:17 PM Re: Understanding The Gaza Catastrophe [Re: goharley]
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Give all the "Holy Land" to the Indians (native Americans), they can build giant casinos. Maybe even call it an Indian State...

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