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#477218 - 01/04/09 11:28 AM Golden vs Lab
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It is time to get a new pup I have always had labs all my life , now the Family wants a Golden but I am not sure how they are for hunting I have been spoiled with my labs all of them have been great so I am a little biased

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#477220 - 01/04/09 12:09 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: sodfarmer]
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My limited experience says goldens have too much hair and not enough drive. I'll stick with labs. I almost got a German Wirehair this round but chickened out and got another yellow.
Good to see you are getting another dog. We'll get them on some ducks next season.

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#477222 - 01/04/09 12:23 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: seastrike]
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The Goldens I've seen, in addition to too much hair, are too wired, too nervous. Eventually, takes maybe 5-10 years, a lab grows up, stops being a puupy, and settles down.

I grew up with Brittanies in CA. Used them for everything; pheasants, quail, ducks, doves, even deer. Damn dog could do it all. The labs I have had added the "family" aspect. I think they'll die to protect their family and they are such great family dogs.

Only had Yellows and Chocolates. Odd as it sounds, there seems to be some differences between the colors. The yellows seem to be very people oriented; noice all the yellows as service dogs. The chocolates are 4-wheeled tanks; not a place they won't go, nothing too tough.

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#477235 - 01/04/09 01:34 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: Carcassman]
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I agree with you my yellow lab would wait for the bus every day and make sure Cole got off ok ! Cole and I went to see Marley and me yesterday that dog looked just like Cedar not a dry eye in the place

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#477246 - 01/04/09 02:59 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: seastrike]
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Originally Posted By: seastrike
My limited experience says goldens have too much hair and not enough drive. I'll stick with labs. I almost got a German Wirehair this round but chickened out and got another yellow.
Good to see you are getting another dog. We'll get them on some ducks next season.


+1....my pops had 2 Goldens during the mid 70's. During that time, the breed was being shown BIG TIME. Which led to alot of in-breeding and therefore schizo pups. But like all dogs, there's good ones and bad ones.

I'm close to getting another lab, and just deciding which color to get. I don't belive that there's a difference in colors of labs though. I've been around all phases, and my current bitch has thrown all colors in her (2) litters...dogs are like people - we are individuals albiet influenced by our upbringing and genetics.
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#477489 - 01/05/09 11:48 AM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: snit]
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Along with the dogs individual characteristics, you have to add in training and exercise. I heard all kinds of horror stories about having a pointer because they dont listen and they are hyper. I found out this is true, but most sources say to give them regular exercise and training (daily). I followed this advice and it works out great. Read up on the dog you want; there is plenty of info on the web. If you have the time and space for a golden, I would go for it. Labs seem to retain training and long term hunting behaviors set in faster than traditional upland dogs.
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#477654 - 01/05/09 07:28 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: j 7]
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I have had multiple goldens and it's very important where you get your pups from. How you train what you expect and how they are raised is very important. I always had pups out in the thick stuff from day one and never had a problem. They were always around guns and hunting, it's important to let them explore and search on their own.

I have seen people be to controling and baby their pups and never experience the hunting situation then all of a sudden two years pass by and you think your dogs going to hunt but yet you throw the dog out there and it doesn't do what you want. (SURPRISE) I have used goldens for migratory and upland. I usually bought a dog from someone else who hunted and would really stress let them explore..


Unfortunately I dont migratory hunt anymore and spent a lot of time on the eastside so I do own a GSP.


I heard this quote once and it stuck

train your dog a few minutes a day and get the dog you deserve and if you dont train your dog a few minutes a day you will get the dog you deserve.

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#477667 - 01/05/09 08:02 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: sodfarmer]
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I'd get a Lab. Both Goldens and Labs will hunt. For me,the long hair on a Golden would drive me nuts. My buddy has a Golden and its just a nightmare keeping his dog halfway groomed. Burrs,sticks,mud,all get caked in his coat. He has way more patience for grooming than I do.

Labs don't retain all that crap nearly as bad as Goldens.

Labs shed way more than Goldens though. I'd rather vacuum a couple times per week as opposed to all the grooming.

As far as color goes. I've got to call BS on any color being better for something than another. You can get a knothead with any color. thumbs

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#478477 - 01/08/09 04:39 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: SundayMoney]
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Lab all the way. Goldens are some pretty dumb dogs......

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#478505 - 01/08/09 05:41 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: rtturbo]
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Originally Posted By: rtturbo
train your dog a few minutes a day and get the dog you deserve and if you dont train your dog a few minutes a day you will get the dog you deserve.


I had two golden's. First one collected starfish in the Puget Sound and hearded us kids like cattle. Loyal to the death and a very cool dog.

The other one hunted, but was flakey as all hell. I think she got some in to some poisoned gophers and was never the same since.

I'd second what most said about goldens. They tend to have breed issues, bad hips, way too much damn hair to collect thistles and things that never come out. They are very loyal, loving, and make for a great family dog.

Most of the labs I meet mostly reflect their owners and how their were trained, or not trained. One shouldn't have to ever "bark" louder than their lab.......

Unless you get a truly phsyco dog, most "issues" with hunting labs and goldens stem from the rtturbo's quote above.

If I were to get another hunting dog, I'd get a lab.
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#478527 - 01/08/09 06:44 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: The Moderator]
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When I finally get a new dog it will be a lab.

Black, because they are easier to hide. I grew up with a yellow lab, and he was awesome. A great hunter. My dad has a yellow and he is a pain in the ass. He does some nice retrieves, but will not hunt very hard.

My old dog, I trained everyday for just 5 minutes, and that is all it really takes to make a good waterfowl hunter, and overall good dog.

My dad inherited his dog from my sister, after she went to college. Her ex-boyfriend had given him to her. His basic hunting training was annoying my good dog, and the results show it.

My dogs don't get to live in the house. They're dogs.
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#478561 - 01/08/09 07:48 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: Rocket Red]
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I think you are missing out RR. I've got friends who also do not let their dogs live in the house. I don't let mine on the furniture but having them indoors at night is nice. They are love machines. If you or the kids have a bad day you can count on those little buggers to sit at your feet for pets and general goodness.
My last dog also saved me from a middle of the night break in at my house. I was already sold on the live inside thing but after that in was in cement. That old dog got a free pass after that incident.
This current puppy however is making me rethink the whole thing. He's a good dog and all but I swear he has horns.

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#478576 - 01/08/09 08:40 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: seastrike]
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Originally Posted By: seastrike
This current puppy however is making me rethink the whole thing. He's a good dog and all but I swear he has horns.

Originally Posted By: parker
Most of the labs I meet mostly reflect their owners and how their were trained, or not trained.
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#478632 - 01/08/09 11:56 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: NOFISH]
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My last three labs were each in their own way dogs of a lifetime they could hunt ducks ,quail pheasants what ever I was hunting and every one rode up front with me and stayed inside the house . Tomorrow I am going to look at some golden pups a few years ago in Royal City I watched two goldens working a corn field side by side with just hand signals from their owner impressed the hell out of me ( yes Dave I know a lot of farmers on the east side ) Not sure yet if I really what to go that route but can't hurt to look Maybe I can start training my new pup to hunt LaConner Turkeys

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#478647 - 01/09/09 01:11 AM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: sodfarmer]
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You don't need a dog for those LaConner turkeys Todd....just a hockey stick.
My date worked out pretty good tonight. Not sure if I'm going to keep her but I'm thinking about it.
Screw you Pat.
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#478649 - 01/09/09 01:15 AM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: seastrike]
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Todd how the hell do you go look at a dog and not bring it home. I've never been that guy. I go look at dogs and at least one is coming home.

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#478768 - 01/09/09 03:22 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: ]
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Stam ,what's with the 420 grill in the background .
Passed on the puppies this morning (long story )


Edited by sodfarmer (01/09/09 03:23 PM)

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#478822 - 01/09/09 07:06 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: ]
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#478928 - 01/10/09 03:13 AM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: sodfarmer]
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Seems all the Goldens I have been around are very nervous and territorial. Never gonna have to worry about being surprised. They bark at everybody and anything. Never did like all the hair and cleaning they require to keep from getting the burrs and stuff behind the ears and stomach and such.
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#478941 - 01/10/09 10:06 AM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: Pugnacious]
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I just lost the BEST lab I have ever had in a divorce. Rex Beaver. A yellow male. That [censored] has more personality than all the other labs I have owned put together. Just an all around good dude. Just turned 5, about as handsome as he can be and beyond faithfull. Great Goose dog.

Crap, now I'm bummed
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#478952 - 01/10/09 11:54 AM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: sodfarmer]
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Does anyone have a pet peeve about people referring to yellow labs as golden labs, meaning they get the two breeds mixed up?

Being a lab guy, it kinda bothers me a bit.

Kinda like when people refer to deer antlers as horns. Cows have horns, not deer.
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#478968 - 01/10/09 01:20 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: The Catcherman]
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I agree with you. That drives me nuts. Another thing that drives me nuts is the count. Eastern counts all the points. I don't know why but it does bug the hell out of me. But not as much the burrs and hair knots a Golden RETRIEVER gets.
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#478971 - 01/10/09 01:41 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: Pugnacious]
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Never heard of a yellow lab being called a golden until now .I am really leaning towards another yellow best dog I have ever had

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#479189 - 01/11/09 07:04 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: The Catcherman]
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Yep...when somebody calls them "golden labs" I figure they don't know much about labs. That does bothers me.

I don't know anybody that uses the Phrase "antlers" tho. My group of hunting buddies do call them horns. But we don't do the gay Eastern count, and we don't count eye guards either...

BRUN - sorry about the divorce. Went through a tough one 2.5 years ago, but I got to keep my lab and she kept hers.


Edited by snit (01/11/09 07:05 PM)
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#479191 - 01/11/09 07:15 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: B-RUN STEELY]
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I just lost the BEST lab I have ever had in a divorce. Rex Beaver. A yellow male. That [censored] has more personality than all the other labs I have owned put together. Just an all around good dude. Just turned 5, about as handsome as he can be and beyond faithfull. Great Goose dog.

Crap, now I'm bummed


What a load of $hit. What sort of Judge from HELL would award a huntin dog to the wife. In Idaho of all places. Was your EX mother in law the Judge ??? Get a better Lawyer. You must of taken it in the a$$ on this divorce.
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#479203 - 01/11/09 08:40 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: Achewter]
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I totally agree. Losing a hunting dog in a divorce would suck dick.
Divorce is hard....losing your dog would be equally as hard.

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#479216 - 01/11/09 09:45 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: seastrike]
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Dammit, stam.

My wife saw that pic of yours, and now the talk of a second lab has begun. And she's like seastrike in the sense that she doesn't go look at puppies and then come home empty-handed.

I'm not a bird hunter, but you don't want to be on a sinking ship with my lab and leave me time to rescue only one of you..........I'm afraid you'd be disappointed in who I'd pick to rescue.

That pic is priceless.
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#479226 - 01/11/09 10:23 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: Dan S.]
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Good luck with the new puppy Dan. Mine chewed the cord out of my son's new guitar amp the other day.
Over Christmas he took out three strands of lights from the tree (and a 3cf chunk of the tree itself). Teaches me not to take naps.
That puppy is a like a 60 pound ninja.
If I don't post for multiple days in a row assume the worst.
I did appreciate BWP's post as far as maybe it isn't me. He'll work out fine I'm sure.

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#479231 - 01/11/09 10:58 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: seastrike]
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I know about having two labs in the house. It can be brutal, and also very entertaining. The old man keeps the pup in line most of the times. Its when the pup is on his own that you need to worry about.

Get that second dog Dan.

These two entertain, take care of each other, and protect my wife and kid. They would give their lives to help any of us.



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#479340 - 01/12/09 04:53 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: sodfarmer]
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It's like ANY breed of dog.

You buy from some Cracker breeding litter after litter out behind his single-wide just so he has extra beer money, you're going to get a fawked up dog with intolerable behavior and a butcher's bill of life long medical issues.

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#479420 - 01/13/09 03:36 AM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: Irie]
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Have had one golden and one lab in the past and currently have a lab.

For me , a no-brainer (good thing as brains have never been my strong suit!)

The golden I had was a good upland bird dog but sucked at waterfowl. I think the goldens don't hold up as well to the cold & wet conditions that duck hunting produces (especially when it gets well below freezing) and I had some real nightmares with seeds , burrs and cheatgrass (have you ever seen a shaved golden?) This produced several trips to the vet as well.

Bolth the labs I've had have hunted bolth upland and waterfowl well and definately seem more durable than Golden retrievers. MY $ .02

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#479492 - 01/13/09 06:30 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: castnblast]
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I don't know what I have but I think she is cross between a golden and some sort of collie. We found her wondering the streets of Casper, WY. She hunts for herself all the time. There is not a spider, fly, bee, mouse whatever in our house and if one gets in she will not rest until she eats it. When we go razor clamming she always seems to dig up a crab and she loves searching around the woods for bird eggs.

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#479592 - 01/14/09 12:30 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: seastrike]
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Don't worry Seastrike, it's not just you. I've been raising Demolition Dog for the past year now.

If you've got any way to exercise your dog (energetic neighborhood kids, dog park, etc) you'll find that an exhausted dog is much less likely to have any energy for destructive behavior. Only thing that seems to work for my pup.

Or you could find out what Stam is feeding his dogs~ wink

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#479616 - 01/14/09 04:38 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: BrianL]
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My wife's family has had goldens forever. None of them hunted. All of them were very protective of their family and great with kids. All of them were from "good breeders". They spent serious cash on each. All of them had tons of health problems. Last one, Tess, died at 9 years old, two years older than the one before. Tess' last two years were spent on a variety of medications for seizures and arthritis so bad she could not get on a couch or go up stairs Watching that was painful enough to make me not want to get that breed. The shedding is enough to make my wife not want one.

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#479657 - 01/14/09 09:56 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: castnblast]
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Originally Posted By: castnblast
The golden I had was a good upland bird dog but sucked at waterfowl. I think the goldens don't hold up as well to the cold & wet conditions that duck hunting produces (especially when it gets well below freezing) and I had some real nightmares with seeds , burrs and cheatgrass (have you ever seen a shaved golden?) This produced several trips to the vet as well.

Bolth the labs I've had have hunted bolth upland and waterfowl well and definately seem more durable than Golden retrievers. MY $ .02

CNB



The best cold water bird dog there is would have be The Chesapeake Bay Retriever.

Bad part about em is they're stubborn and blockheaded.
They're also tough as nails and strong. If you want one, get a 8 foot chainlink fence with electrified barbed wire along the top, set in a concrete sill at least three feet deep. Then get good homeowner's insurance for when it escapes and demolishes your neighborhood.

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#479670 - 01/15/09 12:08 AM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: Irie]
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I dog-sat a Chessie one summer. The dog ate trees. One time they took a stool "sample" to the vets. Vet wanted to know if it ws a dog or a termite. Once he calmed down; he'd been chained up as their yard had no fence and at the station he had free run. When my Mom visited, he was her constant companion and guard. Don't know if he hunted or not but his people "skills" and "family skills" were really just a lad on steroids. I wanted Buck on my side!

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#479696 - 01/15/09 03:31 AM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: Carcassman]
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I believe it.

Those dogs are like Labs on 'rhoids and nitro glycerine.

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#479710 - 01/15/09 09:40 AM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: Irie]
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If you think that Lab will defend your family, imgine a mad Chessie.

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#479802 - 01/15/09 07:53 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: Carcassman]
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I've had 3 Golden Retrievers over the years. All were great hunters. I come from a family of bird hunters and between my dad and 4 brothers we have had an assortment of pointers and retrievers. Two of the Goldens could out-retrieve all the others...would run a mile to find a wounded, yet flying, pheasant and not give up. All the dogs were quite intelligent and took to training well. In all cases I began my training at 7 weeks, daily, until several mos. old. Not all goldens are from show breeders. Make sure you buy your dog from a reputable hunting breeder.
Now, all that said. my 3d Golden is 11 years old. My big decision is whether to get a Lab or another Golden. I love both breeds. You couldn't invent breeds better than Labs and Goldens for personality, friendliness, for having around the kids, etc.
For those that let the dog sleep in the house the down side for Goldens is the hair. Lab hairs drop to the floor and Golden hairs float all over the house. Though my last Golden was an awesome duck hunter, my first and third didn't like the taste of a wet duck. They all were excellent upland bird hunters and all love jumping in 45 degree water but those 2 didn't like to pick up a duck. Go figure! If I didn't hunt ducks I would buy the Golden, but I hunt a lot of ducks and will pick the lab for that reason. Otherwise wonderful these dogs are a draw.

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#479834 - 01/15/09 10:46 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: Pilot47]
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Nice post Pilot47.
I thought of this thread today as I was walking home from the store. I saw a cute mommy pushing a stroller with a Chessie in tow. I've always heard those dogs aren't good with kids but there it was. I went up and said hello and pet the dog. He was not over protective of the family (I wasn't a threat though) and seemed awesome. He was a very handsome dog...all 100 plus pounds of him.

So Sodfarmer.....what are you going to do?

Dan S. Wife pick up another puppy yet? It's your own fault for showing her that pic of Stams! That was a great pic.

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#479863 - 01/16/09 12:29 AM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: seastrike]
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It's always my fault, Dave...........one way or another.

No puppy yet.
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#479932 - 01/16/09 10:37 AM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: Dan S.]
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Two dogs could be better then one ! We are going to get a Golden for Cole and then start looking for a yellow for me ,That way I have a duck dog and a upland dog. So did you really just want to check out the Chessie or was she really a cute mom

By the way going out Brant hunting ,16300 birds one of the best counts in along time

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#479953 - 01/16/09 12:22 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: sodfarmer]
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Originally Posted By: sodfarmer
That way I have a duck dog and a upland dog.


Thats the way I have it (pointer and lab). Really fun hunting that way, but sometimes a challenge. Best part is tag-team retrieves or one points the other flushes.
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#480019 - 01/16/09 04:35 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: Irie]
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Rest In Peace Achilles.

My black lab pup died yesterday. From what I don't know. Got the dreaded call at work from the wife. Worst part was when I walked up to the door and I could hear my little girl bawling from outside the door. Poor kid. The worst part is knowing that I could have done a lot better by him. I leave in another week and a half to go pick up my new pup from Idaho. Strangely enough, I had been planning on picking this new pup up for almost two months. This girl is going to be spoiled rotten I have a feeling. She's a Chesapeake mix.


Edited by Pugnacious (01/16/09 04:36 PM)
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#480035 - 01/16/09 05:21 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: Pugnacious]
Dan S. Offline
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I'm so sorry to hear that, Pug. Losing a pet is a devastating thing to go through, especially for the kids in the house. I remember our Doberman getting hit and killed by a car when I was a kid like it happened yesterday.

Hopefully your new pup will help you heal.
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#480099 - 01/16/09 10:23 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: Dan S.]
snit Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 1844
Loc: Wenatchee, WA
Sorry news..my old gal will turn 13 in 2 months...sniffing my leg right now. It'll be lonely without her...my condolences
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#480302 - 01/18/09 12:06 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: ]
Pugnacious Offline
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Loc: It's funny to me!
Heading out next Sunday to pick her up. Gonna hit the Clearwater while I am out there also. Thanks for the kind words. I guess you guys aren't all as mean as you appear. cowboy
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#481495 - 01/21/09 11:52 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: sodfarmer]
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Registered: 05/18/07
Posts: 124
Loc: seattle, wa
Not that you have a hard choice to make after all the pro lab input but here are a few more tid bits in favor of labs.

I know a older duck/goose guide who works the potholes area. He and his wife use to breed goldens and he says even with top breeding and pro training only 60% of the dogs turned out to be good hunters. Compare that with a well bred and trained lab and you get a dog that satisfies +95% of hunters.

I was a part of a retriever club in Austin before moving back to the NW and out of the +75 members, not one had a golden. There were tow flat coat retrievers (imagine a black golden, this breed pre-dates labs) but they were oddly behaved critters. Many of the members competed nationally in hunt and field trials.

Enjoy your new lab pup!

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#482363 - 01/26/09 03:03 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: dbl spey]
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Registered: 03/08/99
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Hard to go wrong with any retriever breed from a quality breeder. I've known really good performers among Chesapeakes, Labs, and Goldens when I lived in Skagit County. So many Labs and Goldens are bred and sold as pets, so I think it's critical to know something about the breeder you get a pup from. I got two Goldens, one from a field trialer and the other a hunter. No dogs could have been easier to train, and they both were competent to voice, whistle, and hand signals by 6 months. They're smart and steady to gunfire. Any behavior problems are more likely than not handler problems, unless the dog is one of those one in a million blockheads. I'm surprised to read here about Goldens being hesitant about cold water or duck retrieves. I know mine weren't impervious to cold, but they sure acted like it. Ice water couldn't stop them, and the first one would just crash his way through thin ice for a dummy retrieve.

The only downside I can think of with Goldens is the hair that others have described in this thread. You might only have to vacuum twice a week with a Lab, but with a Golden in the house, you just never put the vacuum away. You need it at least once a day, and that's with weekly brushing. Any dog that sheds more than a Golden is . . . , well I can't believe there is one.

I know there are more modern methods that a lot of dog owners swear by, but I trained my dogs according to Water Dog by Richard Wolters. Follow it exactly and you end up with a dog so good that everyone who meets it will think you're the world's best dog trainer.

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#482452 - 01/26/09 07:26 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: Salmo g.]
sodfarmer Offline
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Registered: 03/10/05
Posts: 302
Loc: sleeping in my duck blind
We got a female Golden yesterday ,so of course it was off to petco . I had to put my foot down they were trying on pink collars , we ended up with green as for Water Dog best book ever, used it to train all of my dogs


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#482543 - 01/26/09 11:42 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: sodfarmer]
snit Offline
Three Time Spawner

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 1844
Loc: Wenatchee, WA
Good luck...Walters knew his dogs....
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#482702 - 01/27/09 02:00 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: snit]
Salmo g. Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 13519
Nice to read that Wolter's training method is still appreciated. I haven't known a lot of sporting dogs, but all the best ones I've known were trained by owners who used either Water Dog or Gun Dog.

Sod, I'm glad you put a stop to the pink collar. That would just be so wrong, even for a female Golden. Have fun! The next 5 months of training will be a blast!

Sg

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#482712 - 01/27/09 02:25 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: Salmo g.]
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River Nutrients

Registered: 02/14/06
Posts: 2540
Loc: Elma
I used Water Dog on my lab growing up too. He was such an awesome hunter, and was a rescue from the vet, about 4 hours from taking the permanent puppy ambien.
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#483496 - 01/29/09 10:36 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: Rocket Red]
dbl spey Offline
Juvenille at Sea

Registered: 05/18/07
Posts: 124
Loc: seattle, wa
If you only use one book to train, water dog it is, if you have two, add Tri-Tronics by Daubs (sp?).

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#485218 - 02/04/09 08:59 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: dbl spey]
huntncoug Offline
Three Time Spawner

Registered: 05/22/07
Posts: 1632
Loc: Echo Lake
I sure like them golden labs there purty.
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#485224 - 02/04/09 09:18 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: sodfarmer]
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Three Time Spawner

Registered: 05/22/07
Posts: 1632
Loc: Echo Lake
Just kidding my Yellow Lab and Black Lab Sky, and Blue are awsome.

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#485231 - 02/04/09 09:37 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: huntncoug]
sodfarmer Offline
Returning Adult

Registered: 03/10/05
Posts: 302
Loc: sleeping in my duck blind
one of these days I will take the time to learn how to upload pictures.
Nice looking labs

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#485261 - 02/04/09 11:28 PM Re: Golden vs Lab [Re: sodfarmer]
snit Offline
Three Time Spawner

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 1844
Loc: Wenatchee, WA
Great pics....my 13yo "Walters Trained Dog" just snuzzled my hand. Just good advice in there. Can't wait for another pup...but it'll be sad too....
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