#477222 - 01/04/09 12:23 PM
Re: Golden vs Lab
[Re: seastrike]
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River Nutrients
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The Goldens I've seen, in addition to too much hair, are too wired, too nervous. Eventually, takes maybe 5-10 years, a lab grows up, stops being a puupy, and settles down.
I grew up with Brittanies in CA. Used them for everything; pheasants, quail, ducks, doves, even deer. Damn dog could do it all. The labs I have had added the "family" aspect. I think they'll die to protect their family and they are such great family dogs.
Only had Yellows and Chocolates. Odd as it sounds, there seems to be some differences between the colors. The yellows seem to be very people oriented; noice all the yellows as service dogs. The chocolates are 4-wheeled tanks; not a place they won't go, nothing too tough.
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#477246 - 01/04/09 02:59 PM
Re: Golden vs Lab
[Re: seastrike]
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Three Time Spawner
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Loc: Wenatchee, WA
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My limited experience says goldens have too much hair and not enough drive. I'll stick with labs. I almost got a German Wirehair this round but chickened out and got another yellow. Good to see you are getting another dog. We'll get them on some ducks next season. +1....my pops had 2 Goldens during the mid 70's. During that time, the breed was being shown BIG TIME. Which led to alot of in-breeding and therefore schizo pups. But like all dogs, there's good ones and bad ones. I'm close to getting another lab, and just deciding which color to get. I don't belive that there's a difference in colors of labs though. I've been around all phases, and my current bitch has thrown all colors in her (2) litters...dogs are like people - we are individuals albiet influenced by our upbringing and genetics.
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#477489 - 01/05/09 11:48 AM
Re: Golden vs Lab
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Along with the dogs individual characteristics, you have to add in training and exercise. I heard all kinds of horror stories about having a pointer because they dont listen and they are hyper. I found out this is true, but most sources say to give them regular exercise and training (daily). I followed this advice and it works out great. Read up on the dog you want; there is plenty of info on the web. If you have the time and space for a golden, I would go for it. Labs seem to retain training and long term hunting behaviors set in faster than traditional upland dogs.
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#477667 - 01/05/09 08:02 PM
Re: Golden vs Lab
[Re: sodfarmer]
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I'd get a Lab. Both Goldens and Labs will hunt. For me,the long hair on a Golden would drive me nuts. My buddy has a Golden and its just a nightmare keeping his dog halfway groomed. Burrs,sticks,mud,all get caked in his coat. He has way more patience for grooming than I do. Labs don't retain all that crap nearly as bad as Goldens. Labs shed way more than Goldens though. I'd rather vacuum a couple times per week as opposed to all the grooming. As far as color goes. I've got to call BS on any color being better for something than another. You can get a knothead with any color.
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#478477 - 01/08/09 04:39 PM
Re: Golden vs Lab
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BUCK NASTY!!
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Lab all the way. Goldens are some pretty dumb dogs......
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#478505 - 01/08/09 05:41 PM
Re: Golden vs Lab
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train your dog a few minutes a day and get the dog you deserve and if you dont train your dog a few minutes a day you will get the dog you deserve. I had two golden's. First one collected starfish in the Puget Sound and hearded us kids like cattle. Loyal to the death and a very cool dog. The other one hunted, but was flakey as all hell. I think she got some in to some poisoned gophers and was never the same since. I'd second what most said about goldens. They tend to have breed issues, bad hips, way too much damn hair to collect thistles and things that never come out. They are very loyal, loving, and make for a great family dog. Most of the labs I meet mostly reflect their owners and how their were trained, or not trained. One shouldn't have to ever "bark" louder than their lab....... Unless you get a truly phsyco dog, most "issues" with hunting labs and goldens stem from the rtturbo's quote above. If I were to get another hunting dog, I'd get a lab.
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#478527 - 01/08/09 06:44 PM
Re: Golden vs Lab
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River Nutrients
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When I finally get a new dog it will be a lab.
Black, because they are easier to hide. I grew up with a yellow lab, and he was awesome. A great hunter. My dad has a yellow and he is a pain in the ass. He does some nice retrieves, but will not hunt very hard.
My old dog, I trained everyday for just 5 minutes, and that is all it really takes to make a good waterfowl hunter, and overall good dog.
My dad inherited his dog from my sister, after she went to college. Her ex-boyfriend had given him to her. His basic hunting training was annoying my good dog, and the results show it.
My dogs don't get to live in the house. They're dogs.
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#478576 - 01/08/09 08:40 PM
Re: Golden vs Lab
[Re: seastrike]
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River Nutrients
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This current puppy however is making me rethink the whole thing. He's a good dog and all but I swear he has horns. Most of the labs I meet mostly reflect their owners and how their were trained, or not trained.
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#478647 - 01/09/09 01:11 AM
Re: Golden vs Lab
[Re: sodfarmer]
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Hey Man....It's cool...
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You don't need a dog for those LaConner turkeys Todd....just a hockey stick. My date worked out pretty good tonight. Not sure if I'm going to keep her but I'm thinking about it. Screw you Pat.
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#478928 - 01/10/09 03:13 AM
Re: Golden vs Lab
[Re: sodfarmer]
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Seems all the Goldens I have been around are very nervous and territorial. Never gonna have to worry about being surprised. They bark at everybody and anything. Never did like all the hair and cleaning they require to keep from getting the burrs and stuff behind the ears and stomach and such.
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#478941 - 01/10/09 10:06 AM
Re: Golden vs Lab
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I just lost the BEST lab I have ever had in a divorce. Rex Beaver. A yellow male. That [censored] has more personality than all the other labs I have owned put together. Just an all around good dude. Just turned 5, about as handsome as he can be and beyond faithfull. Great Goose dog.
Crap, now I'm bummed
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#478968 - 01/10/09 01:20 PM
Re: Golden vs Lab
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I agree with you. That drives me nuts. Another thing that drives me nuts is the count. Eastern counts all the points. I don't know why but it does bug the hell out of me. But not as much the burrs and hair knots a Golden RETRIEVER gets.
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#479189 - 01/11/09 07:04 PM
Re: Golden vs Lab
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Three Time Spawner
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Yep...when somebody calls them "golden labs" I figure they don't know much about labs. That does bothers me.
I don't know anybody that uses the Phrase "antlers" tho. My group of hunting buddies do call them horns. But we don't do the gay Eastern count, and we don't count eye guards either...
BRUN - sorry about the divorce. Went through a tough one 2.5 years ago, but I got to keep my lab and she kept hers.
Edited by snit (01/11/09 07:05 PM)
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#479191 - 01/11/09 07:15 PM
Re: Golden vs Lab
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I just lost the BEST lab I have ever had in a divorce. Rex Beaver. A yellow male. That [censored] has more personality than all the other labs I have owned put together. Just an all around good dude. Just turned 5, about as handsome as he can be and beyond faithfull. Great Goose dog.
Crap, now I'm bummed What a load of $hit. What sort of Judge from HELL would award a huntin dog to the wife. In Idaho of all places. Was your EX mother in law the Judge ??? Get a better Lawyer. You must of taken it in the a$$ on this divorce.
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#479216 - 01/11/09 09:45 PM
Re: Golden vs Lab
[Re: seastrike]
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
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Dammit, stam.
My wife saw that pic of yours, and now the talk of a second lab has begun. And she's like seastrike in the sense that she doesn't go look at puppies and then come home empty-handed.
I'm not a bird hunter, but you don't want to be on a sinking ship with my lab and leave me time to rescue only one of you..........I'm afraid you'd be disappointed in who I'd pick to rescue.
That pic is priceless.
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#479231 - 01/11/09 10:58 PM
Re: Golden vs Lab
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I'm not short, I'm 'fun size'
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I know about having two labs in the house. It can be brutal, and also very entertaining. The old man keeps the pup in line most of the times. Its when the pup is on his own that you need to worry about. Get that second dog Dan. These two entertain, take care of each other, and protect my wife and kid. They would give their lives to help any of us. Nothing beats a lab!
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#479592 - 01/14/09 12:30 PM
Re: Golden vs Lab
[Re: seastrike]
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Returning Adult
Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 409
Loc: Bothell, WA
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Don't worry Seastrike, it's not just you. I've been raising Demolition Dog for the past year now. If you've got any way to exercise your dog (energetic neighborhood kids, dog park, etc) you'll find that an exhausted dog is much less likely to have any energy for destructive behavior. Only thing that seems to work for my pup. Or you could find out what Stam is feeding his dogs~
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#479616 - 01/14/09 04:38 PM
Re: Golden vs Lab
[Re: BrianL]
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Registered: 12/09/03
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My wife's family has had goldens forever. None of them hunted. All of them were very protective of their family and great with kids. All of them were from "good breeders". They spent serious cash on each. All of them had tons of health problems. Last one, Tess, died at 9 years old, two years older than the one before. Tess' last two years were spent on a variety of medications for seizures and arthritis so bad she could not get on a couch or go up stairs Watching that was painful enough to make me not want to get that breed. The shedding is enough to make my wife not want one.
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#479657 - 01/14/09 09:56 PM
Re: Golden vs Lab
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River Nutrients
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Loc: South Sound
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The golden I had was a good upland bird dog but sucked at waterfowl. I think the goldens don't hold up as well to the cold & wet conditions that duck hunting produces (especially when it gets well below freezing) and I had some real nightmares with seeds , burrs and cheatgrass (have you ever seen a shaved golden?) This produced several trips to the vet as well.
Bolth the labs I've had have hunted bolth upland and waterfowl well and definately seem more durable than Golden retrievers. MY $ .02
CNB The best cold water bird dog there is would have be The Chesapeake Bay Retriever. Bad part about em is they're stubborn and blockheaded. They're also tough as nails and strong. If you want one, get a 8 foot chainlink fence with electrified barbed wire along the top, set in a concrete sill at least three feet deep. Then get good homeowner's insurance for when it escapes and demolishes your neighborhood.
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#479670 - 01/15/09 12:08 AM
Re: Golden vs Lab
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River Nutrients
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I dog-sat a Chessie one summer. The dog ate trees. One time they took a stool "sample" to the vets. Vet wanted to know if it ws a dog or a termite. Once he calmed down; he'd been chained up as their yard had no fence and at the station he had free run. When my Mom visited, he was her constant companion and guard. Don't know if he hunted or not but his people "skills" and "family skills" were really just a lad on steroids. I wanted Buck on my side!
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#479710 - 01/15/09 09:40 AM
Re: Golden vs Lab
[Re: Irie]
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River Nutrients
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If you think that Lab will defend your family, imgine a mad Chessie.
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#479802 - 01/15/09 07:53 PM
Re: Golden vs Lab
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Egg
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I've had 3 Golden Retrievers over the years. All were great hunters. I come from a family of bird hunters and between my dad and 4 brothers we have had an assortment of pointers and retrievers. Two of the Goldens could out-retrieve all the others...would run a mile to find a wounded, yet flying, pheasant and not give up. All the dogs were quite intelligent and took to training well. In all cases I began my training at 7 weeks, daily, until several mos. old. Not all goldens are from show breeders. Make sure you buy your dog from a reputable hunting breeder. Now, all that said. my 3d Golden is 11 years old. My big decision is whether to get a Lab or another Golden. I love both breeds. You couldn't invent breeds better than Labs and Goldens for personality, friendliness, for having around the kids, etc. For those that let the dog sleep in the house the down side for Goldens is the hair. Lab hairs drop to the floor and Golden hairs float all over the house. Though my last Golden was an awesome duck hunter, my first and third didn't like the taste of a wet duck. They all were excellent upland bird hunters and all love jumping in 45 degree water but those 2 didn't like to pick up a duck. Go figure! If I didn't hunt ducks I would buy the Golden, but I hunt a lot of ducks and will pick the lab for that reason. Otherwise wonderful these dogs are a draw.
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#479863 - 01/16/09 12:29 AM
Re: Golden vs Lab
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
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It's always my fault, Dave...........one way or another.
No puppy yet.
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#479953 - 01/16/09 12:22 PM
Re: Golden vs Lab
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Repeat Spawner
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That way I have a duck dog and a upland dog. Thats the way I have it (pointer and lab). Really fun hunting that way, but sometimes a challenge. Best part is tag-team retrieves or one points the other flushes.
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#480019 - 01/16/09 04:35 PM
Re: Golden vs Lab
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Spawner
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Rest In Peace Achilles.
My black lab pup died yesterday. From what I don't know. Got the dreaded call at work from the wife. Worst part was when I walked up to the door and I could hear my little girl bawling from outside the door. Poor kid. The worst part is knowing that I could have done a lot better by him. I leave in another week and a half to go pick up my new pup from Idaho. Strangely enough, I had been planning on picking this new pup up for almost two months. This girl is going to be spoiled rotten I have a feeling. She's a Chesapeake mix.
Edited by Pugnacious (01/16/09 04:36 PM)
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#480035 - 01/16/09 05:21 PM
Re: Golden vs Lab
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
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I'm so sorry to hear that, Pug. Losing a pet is a devastating thing to go through, especially for the kids in the house. I remember our Doberman getting hit and killed by a car when I was a kid like it happened yesterday.
Hopefully your new pup will help you heal.
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#480099 - 01/16/09 10:23 PM
Re: Golden vs Lab
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Three Time Spawner
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Loc: Wenatchee, WA
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Sorry news..my old gal will turn 13 in 2 months...sniffing my leg right now. It'll be lonely without her...my condolences
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#482363 - 01/26/09 03:03 PM
Re: Golden vs Lab
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Hard to go wrong with any retriever breed from a quality breeder. I've known really good performers among Chesapeakes, Labs, and Goldens when I lived in Skagit County. So many Labs and Goldens are bred and sold as pets, so I think it's critical to know something about the breeder you get a pup from. I got two Goldens, one from a field trialer and the other a hunter. No dogs could have been easier to train, and they both were competent to voice, whistle, and hand signals by 6 months. They're smart and steady to gunfire. Any behavior problems are more likely than not handler problems, unless the dog is one of those one in a million blockheads. I'm surprised to read here about Goldens being hesitant about cold water or duck retrieves. I know mine weren't impervious to cold, but they sure acted like it. Ice water couldn't stop them, and the first one would just crash his way through thin ice for a dummy retrieve.
The only downside I can think of with Goldens is the hair that others have described in this thread. You might only have to vacuum twice a week with a Lab, but with a Golden in the house, you just never put the vacuum away. You need it at least once a day, and that's with weekly brushing. Any dog that sheds more than a Golden is . . . , well I can't believe there is one.
I know there are more modern methods that a lot of dog owners swear by, but I trained my dogs according to Water Dog by Richard Wolters. Follow it exactly and you end up with a dog so good that everyone who meets it will think you're the world's best dog trainer.
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#482543 - 01/26/09 11:42 PM
Re: Golden vs Lab
[Re: sodfarmer]
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Three Time Spawner
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Loc: Wenatchee, WA
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Good luck...Walters knew his dogs....
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#482712 - 01/27/09 02:25 PM
Re: Golden vs Lab
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River Nutrients
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I used Water Dog on my lab growing up too. He was such an awesome hunter, and was a rescue from the vet, about 4 hours from taking the permanent puppy ambien.
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#485261 - 02/04/09 11:28 PM
Re: Golden vs Lab
[Re: sodfarmer]
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 03/08/99
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Loc: Wenatchee, WA
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Great pics....my 13yo "Walters Trained Dog" just snuzzled my hand. Just good advice in there. Can't wait for another pup...but it'll be sad too....
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