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#501048 - 04/08/09 05:40 PM Re: World's best tasting salmon? [Re: fish4brains]
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Dave you retired. Let it go.

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#501050 - 04/08/09 05:45 PM Re: World's best tasting salmon? [Re: seastrike]
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The long distance Yukon chum can run as much as 19% fat - More than most kings elsewhere.

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#501051 - 04/08/09 05:47 PM Re: World's best tasting salmon? [Re: fish4brains]
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Nice story Sebastes, we always had 6 or 8 bags of ice fishing out of Neah Bay(Snow Creek) to ice the catch immediately and then used shaved ice to pack the fillets in that evening. A little bit of extra care makes a big difference in quality.
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#501052 - 04/08/09 05:48 PM Re: World's best tasting salmon? [Re: milt roe]
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Here are some numbers I dug up a few years ago for percent fat content by species. Of course these can vary a lot by run location and individual fish.

Spring Chinook - 22%
Fall Chinook - 11.4%
Sockeye - 7.6%
Pink - 6.7%
Farmed Atlantic - 6.3%
Coho - 4.6%
Chum - 3.8%
Halibut - <1%

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#501059 - 04/08/09 06:16 PM Re: World's best tasting salmon? [Re: milt roe]
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Sebastes,
It always kills me to see people @ snow creek or Neah bay with blood shot fillets of sea-bass/ling and some times butt while @ the cleaning station.I stayed next to a couple guy's @ snow creek one time that didn't bleed there sea-bass fillets #1 then proceeded to let the fillets soak in fresh water in the sink of there cabin for a couple hours before they vauum packed them.We were just laughing in side and saying I wonder how it's gonna taste in a month or so.Not bashing east siders but they were from the east side of the state.Good luck,
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#501067 - 04/08/09 06:52 PM Re: World's best tasting salmon? [Re: STRIKE ZONE]
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#501071 - 04/08/09 07:06 PM Re: World's best tasting salmon? [Re: Satan]
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One of my favorite meals has to be "kokes" from a@d&r cooked in a cast iron skillet over the open flames.

+2 on the skok coho. If I could only get away from the crowds they would taste even better wink

Never had a Columbia Springer yet so no comparison there, I ave enjoyed a copper river
salmon or two and it was Dhamnn tasty.
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#501091 - 04/08/09 08:33 PM Re: World's best tasting salmon? [Re: Spoonthump]
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Registered: 10/31/02
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Vedder gave me half of CR Springer a few years ago, first he had caught.

He barbecued the half he kept that night and the next morning I got a call from him telling me that that was the last CR Springer I or anyone else would ever see from him.

It was the best Chinook he had ever had.

Considering that he isn't all that fond of fish, that was quite a statement.

We truly enjoyed the half he sent my way. it was the fattest Chinook I've ever barbecued and I done more than a few.

Maybe he will post something about the blind tasting test he did one time with a red and a white Chinook?

And I might do the same on smoked Rockfish, Pacific Cod and Dogfish, which I color coded with toothpicks and took to a party.

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#501094 - 04/08/09 08:49 PM Re: World's best tasting salmon? [Re: Dave Vedder]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Vedder
Originally Posted By: BCB
Columbia Springers, The most fat content of any salmon anywhere, including Alaskas Copper River.


Do you know the fat content of a Columbia springer vs an early Yukon chinook?

This is from a fish vendors advertizment. I don't know if true or not.



The oil content of Yukon River King Salmon – a whopping 25-35 percent – is unequalled by any other wild Salmon. In fact, Yukon River King boasts up to twice the fat content of better-known Copper River King! Why is this?

The Yukon River runs for 2,300 miles, making its length unsurpassed in the US. Yukon King Salmon must travel this huge distance to spawn, and cannot eat during this arduous migration.

They devour a rich diet at sea to accumulate the uniquely high body fat levels needed to sustain them on their epic journey.

Once you try our super-rich, succulent salmon, steeped in smoky sweetness, you'll be hooked!




Columbia river 1237 miles long, copper river 300 miles long.

Never heard about yukon salmon for there table fair. Must be in the mid to high 20 percentile if they are that good. Just like columbia Springers. I bet they are similar in comparison.
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#501099 - 04/08/09 08:56 PM Re: World's best tasting salmon? [Re: wolverine]
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White Kings from the Skeena are very oily and have less fishy taste than red meated salmon.
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#501105 - 04/08/09 09:53 PM Re: World's best tasting salmon? [Re: kevin lund]
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Frasier white Kings Awesome smoked!

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#501107 - 04/08/09 10:00 PM Re: World's best tasting salmon? [Re: kevin lund]
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Dave,

A self-admitted fish snob reporting here . . .

It seems that the keys to really high quality salmon are a combination of adult freshwater migration distance, which scores a lot of points for Yukon kings (and chums too, not that I've ever had them), and the time span between freshwater entrance and spawning date. It makes general sense that the fish that migrates a long ways and has a long freshwater residence prior to spawning will have the highest lipid content. Of course, fat content varies from fish to fish as well as between populations, but these two variables generally seem to set fish apart.

I used to think that Copper River or similar early run Alaska kings were the undisputed super-stars of edible fish. And that was not meant to disparage early spring and summer chinook running to the Fraser and Skagit. Those were before I tried my first Columbia River springer. They are why I have springer fever along with so many salmon afficianados. Other candidates as excellent table fare are the Columbia summer chinook and the upriver brights. These are kings that have fairly long migrations and time between freshwater entrance and spawning.

I'm also partial to sockeye, but they are not all the same. Some are almost mediocre, while others make a "to die for" meal. Seldom available, but the very best are the Early Stuart run in the Fraser - 800 mile migration and over 3 months in freshwater. I've had some Alaska sockeye, including Copper River one year, that was truly ordinary. Must have been poor ocean feeding conditions, as the fish were small that year as well. The Baker/Lk WA sockeye are pretty good eating. Their migration isn't very long, but their freshwater residence time is long, entering freshwater in late June, early July, and spawning from late September to late December.

Sebastes post about fish handling is another key. Even the best salmon can be ruined by poor handling. I'll add that fresh, not frozen, salmon is always the best. However I'll admit that I've twice had early AK kings that were flash frozen and vacuum packed that I couldn't tell from fresh, altho I tried my darnest to discern at least some subjective difference. So I've come to believe that salmon processed that way can be as good as and indistinguishable from fresh.

A further comment about quality salmon. It doesn't need and IMO shouldn't be abused with a bunch of seasonings, marinades, or the like. Those have no purpose beyond masking the true flavor of the fish. I season salmon with salt. Human taste buds are very sensitive to salt, and salt makes food sweeter and brings out more of the fish's flavor than cooking without it. The alder smoke from my BBQ fire is the only flavor additive I use on salmon.

Being the fish snob that I am, I'm in an ongoing, unresolved, contest with a woman from Vashon Island regarding which of us prepares the best BBQ salmon in the world - claims we made in front of a large group. If I can get a springer this week or next I hope to settle this issue once and for all (like there's no subjectivity involved in this dispute at all, ha ha!)

Oh, and the other fish. Yes, they can be good too, but there's a lot of variability. Like Parker mentioned, and early summer steelhead is darn good, but it tastes like a trout, not a salmon, not to hold that against it. I've had coho at times that was so good I thought I was eating chinook. Oddly, some of those were Bouy 10 coho (70 degree water), so go figure. But bled coming over the rail and onto ice, they were superb fresh on the BBQ.

Oh, did I mention that I'm a little bit of a fish snob? And that I have no opinions on fish, only objective facts? (t.i.c.)

Sg

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#501112 - 04/08/09 10:10 PM Re: World's best tasting salmon? [Re: wildwillard]
Eric Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 03/08/99
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1) Columbia springer

2) April-early June summer-runs (almost #1)

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#501113 - 04/08/09 10:21 PM Re: World's best tasting salmon? [Re: Eric]
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Parr

Registered: 11/09/07
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Loc: Monroe
Febuary caught CR/Willy springer is the best I've ever had.

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#501114 - 04/08/09 10:23 PM Re: World's best tasting salmon? [Re: Eric]
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My favorite salmon to eat is cold smoked wild atlantic from new brunswick canada and our smoke house up there. by far the best fish i have ever had.

i havent eaten C.R. springers nor yukon springers, but some of my favorite salmon have been ocean cohos from Neah Bay cooked fresh and Winter blackmouth from MA 10. for the most part, As long as it is fresh I like it.
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#501128 - 04/08/09 11:24 PM Re: World's best tasting salmon? [Re: Dave Vedder]
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Registered: 02/26/01
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Loc: Oregon
Originally Posted By: Dave Vedder
IMHO taste is a personal thing. Some like chums, some don't etc. But with the annual rush to harvest the Columbia River springers, I was wondering if any salmon is better? It seems to me the Yukon spring chinook might be contenders as they come in the river genetically prepared for the world's longest salmonid journey.

I have never tasted a Yukon spring chinook so, can't offer an opinion. I have tried Fraser River "springs' and can sy they are excellent. So far my favorite remains the Columbia springers. Any thoughts?


My favorite, probably based on circumstances at the time, is chrome-brite nushagak chum. I think any fresh, chrome alaskan chum would do but there is something about fresh, fried chum that is incredibly succulent.

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#501136 - 04/08/09 11:53 PM Re: World's best tasting salmon? [Re: NWaddict]
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First of all, I am not a fish snob. If it swims, and legal to keep, or right to keep, I'll eat it. And I'll like it or love it. But, Chelan Kokes are the best, springers from anywhere, when caught in spring, are frickin' excellent. Then Blackmouth, after that, who cares, they are all pretty good. Well as long they are from the salt. But not as excellent as the first ones stated.

I have to say, really, the fish that is the freshest, and you haven't had in awhile is what is the best.
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#501138 - 04/08/09 11:56 PM Re: World's best tasting salmon? [Re: NWaddict]
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CR Springer
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#501141 - 04/09/09 12:02 AM Re: World's best tasting salmon? [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: ChuckS
Lake Stevens Kokanee are tough to beat.

From the salt a nice silver bled and tossed onto the boat bbque is also purty tasty.

hell ... I like em all ... except a chum. rofl



I totally agree. I haven't had Lake Stevens Kokes in a long time. But something cool that highly arouses the taste buds when slapping a fresh coho on the grill, while still out on the salt.
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#501145 - 04/09/09 12:09 AM Re: World's best tasting salmon? [Re: Addicted]
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Edited by Dave Vedder (04/09/09 12:10 AM)
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