Dead Kennedy....what a loss.

I wonder what kind of warm welcome Mary Jo Kopechne gave him when he arrived at the pearly gates?

Sorry for his family's loss. Didn't agree with him all the time, but he was committed to furthering the agenda he believed in.

I will miss those spitting, sputtering, fist pounding rants. That guy believed what he believed and never minced words. Gotta respect that no matter if you agree or disagree with his politics.

RIP Ted

He finally reached his term limit

Well, if one assumes he WILL arrive at the pearly gates, they would have to assume she would forgive him as we are so often told to do in the scriptures.

The Kennedys were larger than life in politics. I admired his commitment to social progress even when I disagreed with him. RIP Ted.

Sg

They should bury him in a VW Beetle

Sad day...even when I didn't agree with him, he sure was a good advocate for what he believed in.

Fish on...

Todd

Funny the differences in reactions in outdoor forums.
Guns vs fishing rods.

They are a tad harsh on the old boy over at the 'fire....

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/3255553/all/Ted_Kennedy_Dead

Wow...there's quite a collection of idiots and dipshits over there, aren't there?

Fish on...

Todd

There's a reason they hang around a campfire 24X7: they're ill suited for civilized society.

Well, when you have guys that eat, breathe and sleep with their rifles & hanguns don't expect them to mourn the death a voracious anti gun proponent.
The reaction aint exactly a surprise.

I try to escape from civilized society at every opportunity.

The differences in cultures in this country are staggering.
Far beyond red/blue.

WOW is right!

And callin' 'em idiots and dipshits is an insult to idiots and dipshits!

17 pages of pure, unabashed, unadulterated right-wing hatred!

Teddy musta been doin' somethin right to draw that kind of ire from the retarded right!

With more and more psychopaths seemingly comin' outta the woodwork lately... I gotta bad feelin' one of 'em is gonna do something really drastic.

Good one.

I'm always laughing out loud when the big tough guys with guns are always so damn afraid...just like the fraidy cats now, how many guns did Teddy grab from them?

None...same amount as are being grabbed now.

No wonder they need to carry guns...they're pussies, probably spent all of gradeschool getting beat up by girls.

Fish on...

Todd

well said Sal.

Todd.
You dickhead.
IT AIN'T GUN GRABBING, and you damn well know it.

It is about incrementalism.

I live in California and I'll be the first on to say that it is the stacking of law on top of law that the rest of the country is afraid of.

10 day waiting period, the banning of certain calibers, the banning of scary lookin guns.
I have all that right here and it is your liberal political heros that are responsible for it.

You are a smart guy, but you just don't get it on the gun issue.

So you say there is not an effect to gun owners in this country?
I'm not the RWWJ that you'd like to label me as, but come on dude.

Pussies?
GMAFB.

Sal, isn't it almost impossible to get a CCP in the Republic of Kali ?

Sal, I own guns, and I'm not afraid.

I'd be more afraid of some gun nut stealing them if I were irresponsible enough to tell everyone in the cyberworld what I have in my house.

Fish on...

Todd

P.S. This has nothing to do with those creatures on that other site, anyway...they're obviously subhuman, just read the thread. That old man Kennedy probably would have kicked half their asses even old and with cancer...after spending his entire adult life in the service of his country, and watching his two brothers shot in cold blood by dipshits like those jackasses on that other site.

Teddy was a POS, [censored] him and who gives a [censored] how good he "advocated".

That's how low the bar has been set by the limp wristed left..."well he was a lying, drunk, murdering POS but he advocated well...so that makes him a good dude." GMAFB

Listening to the foot soldiers of The Homosexual Agenda badmouth The Kennedys it makes me realise that it must be because he never molested any young boys or sucked any restroom cocks.

[/quote]
Sal, isn't it almost impossible to get a CCP in the Republic of Kali ? [/quote]

We can still get them, but is is difficult.

Todd,
As far as having brothers killed by a criminal with a gun?
I have two brothers that are cops.
Should they be killed in the line of duty will I be transformed into an foaming at the mouth anti gun advocate?
HELL NO!

My brothers accepted the risk when they put the badges on their chests.

Certainly I would have remorse and even more hatred for criminals than I have now, but firearms have been a part of my outdoor heritage since I was a child.
They are tools.
I like precision tools.

Gun laws are draughted by politicians not gun experts.

How far should my rifle be able to shoot accuratley?

How much penetration should a hunting bullet have?

How many cartridges should my magazine be able to hold?

How many guns should I be able to own?

How many guns should I be able to buy in a year?


Are you comfortable with your politicians making these decisions for you?

I'm not.

Sal, come north..we actually have pretty liberal gun laws here, I think we rank around 10th nationally. Nevermind....I have seen the area you live in....

WOW!

Proud conservative wondering how stupid some people can be.

Thanks for lowering the bar.

RIP Mr Kennedy.

at least none that anyone knows about....

Those guys are subhuman?
No, just passionate.
They know that firearm ownership is as key to hunting as fishing rods are to steelheading.
When someone threatens what they love, they are compelled to lash out.
Just as you lash out at those that threaten your passion for wild fish in wild rivers.

BTW, Bigstick was one of the top posters over there at one time.
But then again you may be right, Larry just might be a different species.

looks like you still have some issues....seems like everytime i get on this forum you are bitchin about guns....did your daddy never take you shooting when you were a wee lad?

Ted Kennedy should have spent the 70's in prison for manslaughter instead of on the floor of the Senate. Cared more about his career than the woman he let drown in his car!

Since the Senator was/is Roman Catholic it would be kinda fun to sit in on his interview with St Peter and listen to his explanations for some of his beliefs and positions. RIP Teddy.

dewbie, for some reason you and the rest seem to have a reading comprehension problem...I own guns, I like guns, and I have no problem with guns.

I have a problem with gun nuts who are always looking behind every bush for someone who's about to grab their guns. I have a problem with an organization like the NRA stuffing lies down the gun nuts throats all the time, which they eat hook, line, and sinker.

Must be painful having to be so afraid all the time...glad I'm not.

For this thread, however, I have a problem with a bunch of cowards hiding behind their computers cheering the death of a man who gave his entire life to the service of his country, and from a family who has done so for much longer than any of those cowards have been alive.

Fish on...

Todd

"I like precision tools."

I think you are giving the tools on that site way too much credit.

I'm a Kennedy. Full name John Francis Kennedy. My family is related too the famous Kennedys . My Grampa past away last year and last night watching the news I thought I was looking at my Grampa when they were flashing pictures of Ted in his elder years. My uncle Tom looks like him as well. My Dad is a strong resembalence to President Kennedy. My Dad's name is Jack as well. Pretty wierd stuff. I am still waiting for all the women that flocked around Jack, Bobby, Teddy, and John John. I don't look much like any of em, thouugh perhaps if I dropped a bunch of weight I might see some traits. Those camp fire f***s could draw paragraphs of rhetoric slamming their beliefs as well as their personal values from me but whatever, just a waste of time to knock some sense into a bunch of dudes who like to screw their sister & cousins. Did I say that? My bad, don't know what came over me. RIP Ted

I can't believe how the left can ignore the fact that he essentially killed a woman and walked away from it with no real penalty. I don't care how much he may have done, if it was my daughter he killed I would never forgive him. There is some blame with the woman in that most likely she was passed out in the back seat, but still, either he murdered her or he was so drunk he couldn't comprehend what he did. Either way it is a crime. But being rich he walked. I can never respect him for what he did. Had he called authorities right away and then admitted his guilt or had served time I would be more apt to forgive him. But using Daddy's money to walk away makes me sick. In my opinion it just goes to show how elitism and liberalism are very connected, as much or more then the republican top leadership.

I don't see anywhere in this entire thread that anyone is ignoring that obvious bad deed...what I do see is a bunch of wingnuts ignoring everything else about him and his familly for purely partisan reasons.

Fish on...

Todd

Hey Krijack, how many innocent civilians were bombed because of his lies? How many American Servicemen have died off in some schithole desert because of his lies?

Huh? Answer me!

Well if you want sheer numbers Irie, Democratic president Harry Truman had a pretty fair civilian body count.
Following the dropping of atomic bombs:
Hiroshima - 40,000 killed immediately, radiation brought total later to 60,000 to 90,000
Nagasaki - 40,000 killed immediately, the final death toll was 73,884 officially.
But I regress, it's only tragic if a Republican kills them right?

[/quote] it just goes to show how elitism and liberalism are very connected, as much or more then the republican top leadership. [/quote]

Musta hit close to the mark as Todd is the first to respond, followed closely by Irie ( who was then issued a smackdown by Sal)

That's quite a stretch. Are you saying it was wrong of us to be in WWII or attack Japan? Decades of analysis all show that dropping the bombs, while horrific, saved lives in the end and ended the war.

Not at all, just keeping things consistent.
If you are shedding tears for innocent casualties of war, how can you pick & choose the situation that fits your argument?





Yes indeed, Teddy was a very busy man....

http://www.thesharkguys.com/2009/08/26/ted-kennedys-top-drunk-moments/





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100,000 Japaese died in the firebombing of Tokyo before the a-bombs were dropped. Pales though in comparison to the millions of Asians that died at the hands of the Japanese.

Nothing consistent about comparing a right war versus a wrong war.

"If being drunk is so damned bad, at least half of the members posting in this forum are going to hell."

And GW would have had a diferent future....and probably not choked on a pretzel. We'll never know whether Laura Bush was drunk or not when she killed.

I won't shed a tear when OJ finally bites the dust, too. I bet he's a republican.....

Just goes to show that money and family power can get you out of anything.

If you or I pull either of those stunts, our asses our locked away for at least 10 years, if not life.

Still blows me away that Kennedy got away with killing someone and most of the huggers that are too stupid to know any better don't seem to give a rats ass and think that it's ok.

Do you also care that OJ is walking the streets a free man, or is that OK too?

Both of those two needed to do their time for their crimes. They can both rot in hell for all I care.

+1 Parquito!
Nice to see someone that thinks outside of the LWWJ mold!

I am neither to the left or the right. I am an equal opportunity asshole. I just call it like I see it.



Yeah, because vehicular manslaughter wasn't taken seriously in '69. How many manslaughter convictions did you beat back in '69 Aunty?

You or I would have gone to jail. Simple as that.

A Kennedy? Nofrakinway. Not in a million years.

Don't get me started on OJ.....

Actually if you look into the case they just didn't have the evidence. People wanted a conviction on moral grounds but that isn't valid in court then or now. Even today you'd have to prove drunk driving otherwise it's an accident. And leaving her there, the moral issue, could be defended as "I had been in an accident and didn't know what I was doing". He was convicted of leaving the scene of an accident. Not defending Kennedy or saying there wasn't shennanigans just looking at the FACTS instead of making [censored] up.

"Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment."

Regardless of his conviction or lack there of, the man left the woman in his car to drown, and didn't report the accident for 9 hours after it happened. A decent human being tries to save the woman in the car. A decent responsible human being calls for help. Obviously Teddy wasn't a decent human being. To Teddy the woman's death was little more than an inconvenience to what he wanted! He is a POS, and wasn't worthy of the office he held!

"hardly anyone"

Ted Kennedy was "hardly anyone". He had the name, power, and money.

He got away with killing someone due to gross negligence and YOU or I would have been put it jail.

Even taking away the alcohol. Let's say it wasn't involved. You or I would still go to jail in 1969 for vehicular homicide due to negligent driving and leaving the scene of an accident.

One wonders about the covered up skeletons of those who grew up uber rich brats. I bet Paris Hilton is an axe murderer.

You are giving Paris Hilton way too much credit.

I'd be willing to bet $100 that Paris Hilton has never TOUCHED an axe, let alone would actually know what to do with it if she had it.

The only pole Paris has touched probably rotted and fell off.

That poor SOB.

I can't believe some here would argue that the manner in which one is murdered is of any consequence.

Mary Jo had scratched at the upholstery while she was drowning...as evidenced by the scratches.

But yeah yer probably right...ol' Teddy was a great man and he only killed one person that we know of.

Myself...I didn't like him in life and I ain't gonna' weep for him in death...I also ain't gonna' piss on his grave 'cause it might offer him some respite from the heat.

Ok he killed her....

That still makes him a POS....a killing POS....not a murdering POS.

I think the thread was who is going to die next. Michael Jackson now Ted Kennedy. When is Rush Limbaugh going to die?

Hate to wake your azz up but OJ's ass is in 'The Stripey Hole.' & Has been since he was convicted in Vegas, so you can drop that little heap o' race bait.

Aunty is closest to accuracy re: Ted and Mary Jo. In 1969 DUI was a minor crime compared to today. A misdemeanor. 2nd degree manslaughter would result in small jail time for the average citizen in 1969. But you already know their is at least a two-tiered legal system in the US, one for average people and another for people with money, privilege, and power.

There was lack of evidence - as in real legally admissible in court evidence - for even a 2nd degree manslaughter charge, so no way was the DA gonna' touch that. And given all the Kennedy money and political power, he would have skated on the leaving the scene of an accident charge, but it would have been just too obvious and egregious. It's fairly likely Kennedy was guilty of 2nd degree man., but that's not the same as a legally admissible case.

Funny thing about 1969 is that the general public was more curious about the scandal of a potential affair between TK and MJK than they were about DUI. The gallows humor joke of the time was that as they were driving back to the mainland, MJ told TK that she was pregnant, causing Ted to drive off the bridge, the question being was it deliberate or not. All that aside, there was no indication of any affair since they were newly acquainted. However, had they made it back to the mainland and their hotel (they were staying at the same one), one may have been in the offing, but that's just nosy speculation.

Getting back to the US justice system, or lack of it, there was an interesting piece in the news a couple weeks ago following Michael Vic's reinstatement into the NFL. Really shows the disparities in justice. Vic received disproportionately harsher justice, 20 mo., for torturing and killing dogs than several NFLers who variously served zero, 23 days, and 90 days for forms of manslaughter and murder. You get the higher tier of justice if you're a rich celebrity in the US. And anyone thinks it's strange that an uber-rich senator from an uber-powerful political family would receive preferential treatment in the US legal system? He plead guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, and that went on his record. Chances are if Teddy had made the Green Bay Packers (he was decent in college and got a look at from the GBP), he could have skated and dodged even that little blemish on his legal record.

Focusing on chappaquidic and ignoring the suite of cases of double standard justice, and the lack of legal evidence, suggests the protests may be more political in nature than a personal protest directed toward the legal system and the facts of the case.

Sg

Ya think?

Fish on...

Todd

Well relative moralism aside I don't give a rats as s about what one does after killing someone and sure as hell don't care to make excuses for their murders, regardless of party affiliation.

Apparently the left has more disdain for the likes of Sarah Palin then they do for a killer/drunk POS like Teddy.......figures.

PS......It ain't about any "suite of cases" and it ain't about the shi tty justice system in place now or in 1969....it's about the fact a f.ckin drunk can kill a woman and almost half this country views him as their hero. Pathetic.....but when taken in context with the lack of decency on the left and their utter contempt for American principles it stands to reason why they need a idol like that POS.....they have no one else to bow down to.

That's because there wasn't much...even if those on the left didn't agree with his policies, or the fact that he managed to have more than one wife during his "Christian" life, and wasn't a very good Prez, besides, there's less hate and more respect coming from the left side of the aisle...the right is so full of hate and fear they can't find anything other than hate and fear to stir their thoughts.

Fish on...

Todd

Who did RR kill?

It's not about party affiliation for me it's about not having killed someone.

That's all it's about? How about violating dozens of Federal Laws by...

1. negotiating with terrorists
2. selling arms to our sworn enemies in Iran (aka, treason)
3. using the money to illegally fund someone else's coup in central America

'Course, those are all OK, cuz he was Ronald Reagan, right...or was it OK because he "didn't recall"...?

Those events led to the death of many thousands more than one girl on the East Coast, no matter how terrible that was.

Fish on...

Todd

P.S. They hypocrisy you're showing is blatant, in more ways than one.

Yeah, thoughtful, respectful, warm hearted democrats.....

The door swings both ways Todd, no matter how you try to paint it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x603890

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x604956

Don't bother...RvW can't see outside his wet RWWJ sack, no matter what happens in the world around him...as with many RWWJ's, the world doesn't actually exist outside his small head.

Fish on...

Todd

RVW,

I have mixed feelings about TK because of Chappaquidic; not moral relativeism. I don't know how old you were in 1969. I was surprised how easy TK got off, but I was just learning the fact of our double standard justice system. It's easy to overlook today, but read Aunty's posts. In the 60s when a drunk driver killed somebody it was usually considered a tragedy, not manslaughter. The legal status of the action changed because of MADD like Aunty posted. It seems weird today, but that's a difference with a legal distinction, and morals and ethics don't carry much weight in court. And as we see all the time, if you're rich and or powerful, even the law itself may not carry all that much weight.

To understand the difference, if that accident happened in the last few years, money and power withstanding, TK probably would have still gotten off with a reduced sentence and probably served 30 to 90 days, sorta' like an NFL player. I presume you harbor the same ill will for an ungodly proportion of the NFL lineup that have felony convictions, most of which got off with a slap or less. That's why I mentioned Michael Vic's jail time; he got a more severe punishment than NFL stars that actually killed other people. So yes, it's very much about double standards in the legal system.

Sg

Ted Kennedy was a POS!! how is this a debate?

Salmo-----I understand what you're saying, I don't like the double standards that are very prevalent in our "justice" system. I can't begin to fathom how many poor and disadvantaged have been thrown away (locked up) for much less or in some cases nothing. So to answer your question...YES i get frothed up at the NFL/NBA/ETC and their lax policies regarding felonies. There are plenty of kids with talent across this nation that would love nothing more than a first chance at major league ball, that's why I don't believe these guys that committ felonies deserve a second chance. They don't "deserve" anything.

Our kids deserve to have sports heroes that are better than that.imho

PS---Nice job at B-10!

Human Life International's Statement on the Passing of Senator Edward Kennedy

by Reverend Thomas J. Euteneuer

We must, as a matter of precept, pray for the salvation of heretical Catholics like Senator Edward Kennedy, but we do not have to praise him let alone extol him with the full honors of a public Catholic funeral and all the adulation that attends such an event. There was very little about Ted Kennedy's life that deserves admiration from a spiritual or moral point of view. He was probably the worst example of a Catholic statesman that one can think of. When all is said and done, he has distorted the concept of what it means to be a Catholic in public life more than anyone else in leadership today.

Obviously we don't know the state of Senator Edward Kennedy's soul upon death. We don't pretend to. We are told by the family that he had the opportunity to confess his sins before a priest, and his priest has said publicly he was "at peace" when he died. For that we are grateful. But it is one thing to confess one's sins and for these matters to be kept, rightfully, private. It is another thing entirely for one who so consistently and publicly advocated for the destruction of unborn human beings to depart the stage without a public repudiation of these views, a public confession, as it were.

It is up to God to judge Senator Kennedy's soul. We, as rational persons, must judge his actions, and his actions were not at all in line with one who values and carefully applies Church teaching on weighty matters. Ted Kennedy's positions on a variety of issues have been a grave scandal for decades, and to honor this "catholic" champion of the culture of death with a Catholic funeral is unjust to those who have actually paid the price of fidelity. We now find out that President Obama will eulogize the Senator at his funeral, an indignity which, following on the heels of the Notre Dame fiasco, leaves faithful Catholics feeling sullied, desecrated and dehumanized by men who seem to look for opportunities to slap the Church in the face and do so with impunity simply because they have positions of power.

It is not enough for Kennedy to have been a "great guy behind the scenes" as we have seen him referred to even by his political opponents. It is also not praiseworthy to put a Catholic rhetorical veneer on his leftist politics that did nothing to advance true justice as the Church sees it or to advance the peace of Christ in this world. Every indication of Senator Kennedy's career, every public appearance, every sound bite showed an acerbic, divisive and partisan political hack for whom party politics were much more infallible than Church doctrines. Whatever one's political affiliation, if one is only "Catholic" to the extent that his faith rhymes with his party line, then his Catholicism is a fraud.

As the Scriptures remind us, there is a time for everything under the sun. This, now, is the time for honesty about our Faith and about those who are called to express it in the public forum. If we do not remind ourselves of the necessity of public confession for public sins such as Senator Kennedy was guilty of, then we are negligent in our embrace of the Faith and we are part of the problem. As Pope Benedict has reminded us recently, charity without truth can easily become mere sentimentality, and we must not fall into that error. A Catholic show of charity for the family must not eclipse the truth that is required of all with eyes to see and ears to hear.

Senator Kennedy needs to be sent to the afterlife with a private, family-only funeral and the prayers of the Church for the salvation of his immortal soul. He will not be missed by the unborn who he betrayed time and time again, nor by the rest of us who are laboring to undo the scandalous example of Catholicism that he gave to three generations of Americans.

Sincerely,


Rev. Thomas J. Euteneuer,
President, Human Life International

That opinion of an anti-abortion reverend won't even play well with all Catholics. I expect it to be even less well received by the rest of the nation.

Never will understand Catholicism; seems more like a cult (top down control freak) than a mainstream religious denomination, yet I know Catholics who are cool, but they never say how they reconcile their differences with Church doctrine.

Sg

The Church is pretty consistent when it comes to life.... the killing of the unborn and capital punishment are both against the churches teachings.

It also would seem that manslaughter was a possible charge for the crime in 1969.

From Wiki----


Under Massachusetts law Boyle, having found "probable cause" that Kennedy had committed a crime, could have issued a warrant for his arrest, but he did not do so.[33] District Attorney Dinis chose not to pursue Kennedy for manslaughter, despite Judge Boyle's conclusions.

Yet the church looked the other way during the holocaust.

Countless Catholics helped the oppressed during WWII. The underground was made up of many caring, compassionate people and many of them were Catholic.

I don't want to turn this into a thread about religion....I only C&P'd the article because the Reverend stated my sentiments about Ted better than I did.

I certainly can understand peoples' feelings about the Catholic church and there are disagreements that I have regarding their doctrine and dogma.