#561087 - 12/03/09 02:07 PM
Re: More cuts for Fish and Wildlife Department
[Re: Phoenix77]
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The closure of public access spots and hatchery cuts are high on the list. what are the chances that volenteer support could be used to maintain public access spots instead of outright closing them down... One would think that groups like CCA, PSA, WSC could drum up enough local volenteer help to keep them open. I for one would volenteer to help maintain the access sights I use on a regular basis.
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#561161 - 12/03/09 06:49 PM
Re: More cuts for Fish and Wildlife Department
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River Nutrients
Registered: 01/17/04
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Public access reductions are designed to keep the general populaion from questioning the continued commercial take IMHO.
Look at the crab issue. The Commercials are allowed a greater take 'cause they have historicly taken that share.
Why favor the Commercials when our population has changed? I did not bother to get a PS permit 'cause there is no real opportunity here.
I beg to differ about how this is anything more than funding the status quo mindset?
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#561173 - 12/03/09 07:24 PM
Re: More cuts for Fish and Wildlife Department
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Smolt
Registered: 10/31/09
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Makes me wonder...
How does WDFW plan to cope with additional economic impacts caused to them by proposed 2010-2012 regulations, rockfish recovery plans, and who knows what burdens to babysit the whale watchers. Seems to me that WDFW are heading down a very slippery slope.
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#561187 - 12/03/09 08:13 PM
Re: More cuts for Fish and Wildlife Department
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Registered: 10/19/09
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Atlantic Red Snapper December 3, 2009 NOAA’s Fisheries Service has announced an interim rule that will prohibit commercial and recreational fishing for red snapper in federal waters off North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia and the Atlantic coast of Florida. The six-month rule becomes effective on January 4. It can be extended an additional six months if necessary. The South Atlantic Fishery Management Council requested the fisheries service implement this interim rule while the council explores long-term measures to address the critical condition of red snapper. The most recent scientific assessment shows too many red snapper are being removed from the population too quickly, which indicates a need for protection under the Magnuson-Stevens Fishery Conservation and Management Act. Most of the remaining population consists of smaller, younger fish, who produce fewer eggs than older fish. “The Magnuson-Stevens Act requires us to manage fish populations so they grow to a size that can sustain the largest average catch possible for the long term,” said Roy Crabtree, southeast regional administrator for NOAA’s Fisheries Service. “Unfortunately, the red snapper population has not been able to reach that size; therefore, closing the fishery is the first step toward protecting this species, rebuilding the stock and ensuring fishing for generations to come.” The council is expected to recommend long-term measures to the fisheries service sometime in mid-2010. NOAA’s Fisheries Service will provide additional public comment periods before implementing final long-term management measures. For more information on South Atlantic red snapper, visit http://sero.nmfs.noaa.gov or http://www.safmc.net/.NOAA understands and predicts changes in the Earth’s environment, from the depths of the ocean to the surface of the sun, and conserves and manages our coastal and marine resources.
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#561188 - 12/03/09 08:39 PM
Re: More cuts for Fish and Wildlife Department
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Returning Adult
Registered: 01/26/09
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If the WDFW relied more on volunteers I am sure they would get an overwhelming response. I have no doubt that the public would volunteer for hatchery work, fish checking, etc.
I do know that the commercial interests do not pay thier fair share to the dept for use monitoring, LE, and stock assessments. At this stage of the game this should be addressed.
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#561196 - 12/03/09 08:59 PM
Re: More cuts for Fish and Wildlife Department
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River Nutrients
Registered: 08/26/02
Posts: 4681
Loc: Sequim
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NOP-PSA has an active volunteer group that helps out at the Dungeness and Hurd Creek hatcheries. We have a lot of fun....
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#561204 - 12/03/09 09:46 PM
Re: More cuts for Fish and Wildlife Department
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River Nutrients
Registered: 11/07/99
Posts: 2689
Loc: Yelmish
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Makes me wonder...
How does WDFW plan to cope with additional economic impacts caused to them by proposed 2010-2012 regulations, rockfish recovery plans, and who knows what burdens to babysit the whale watchers. Seems to me that WDFW are heading down a very slippery slope. They will be selling wildlife watching licenses. If you take a walk in the woods and look at the critters without one, you'll be fined, even if you glanced at them on accident. There will be an "additional" fee, called an endorsement, for separate species like birds of prey. Extra $5 here and $10 there... tic answer, sort of. if they enforced that anything like WDFW enforces snagging rules, i think none of us have anything to worry about.
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#561207 - 12/03/09 10:06 PM
Re: More cuts for Fish and Wildlife Department
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Registered: 11/05/07
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Not a whole lot of steelhead programs left to cut after last years budget cut,, the Lyre, Pysht, Puyallup/Carbon was totally eliminated, the Green was reduced by 70% due to Palmer closing, a bunch of tribs of the Sky had trib plants cut or lowered, The Skagit was lowered the previous year, on on on and on. Granted survival and success rate on most of these has been in the toilet for years, but If you think its crowded now on the few remaining rivers that get decent plants, wait til King and Snoho County people figure out there local creek aint got no fish coming back-
Oh and all the early closers proposed for Puget Sound ought to do wonders for the Peninsula traffic in a couple years.
The lower columbia tribs have been severely reduced the last couple years as well
Aww the nooch bogey and salmon can use a few hundred more guys, cant they????
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#561219 - 12/03/09 10:52 PM
Re: More cuts for Fish and Wildlife Department
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Smolt
Registered: 10/31/09
Posts: 83
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Makes me wonder...
How does WDFW plan to cope with additional economic impacts caused to them by proposed 2010-2012 regulations, rockfish recovery plans, and who knows what burdens to babysit the whale watchers. Seems to me that WDFW are heading down a very slippery slope. They will be selling wildlife watching licenses. If you take a walk in the woods and look at the critters without one, you'll be fined, even if you glanced at them on accident. There will be an "additional" fee, called an endorsement, for separate species like birds of prey. Extra $5 here and $10 there... tic answer, sort of. if they enforced that anything like WDFW enforces snagging rules, i think none of us have anything to worry about. No doubt Big Foot will be put onto the endangered species list, all hunting will be closed until their population recovers to pristine levels, and this will make safer viewing opportunities for our favorite commissioner since bigfoot will become less afraid of humans.
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#561251 - 12/04/09 02:43 AM
Re: More cuts for Fish and Wildlife Department
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River Nutrients
Registered: 12/30/07
Posts: 3116
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HB1778, may have language that allows private partnerships with non profits.
I dont know if the state has a plan to allow egg box programs. Without clipping, it would add more hatchery fish and no way to tell the difference.
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#561257 - 12/04/09 03:21 AM
Re: More cuts for Fish and Wildlife Department
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Parr
Registered: 11/23/09
Posts: 53
Loc: Tacoma
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Ah yes our wonderful governor is taking it out on the taxpayers once again. Im suprised the tribes are not screaming a little louder about hatchery cuts, I mean they did make an investment in her political campaign to the tune of 750k. Nice to know she sold us out for that pittence of an amount. Oops did you guys vote for her, no one I know did. Anyway, if anyone has been through the Master Hunter program, there is alot of volunteers available to help, as long as they are willing to give us sportsmen the credit. We are a mirror image of California in respects to government, taxation, and the way the people in Olympia do business. Dont you think its time to send a message and vote every last one of them out. Maybe then the incoming lawmakers will see the light and work for us, the guys and gals who pay their wages.
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#561277 - 12/04/09 11:25 AM
Re: More cuts for Fish and Wildlife Department
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Reverend Tarpones
Registered: 10/09/02
Posts: 8379
Loc: West Duvall
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Ah yes our wonderful governor is taking it out on the taxpayers once again.
So, your solution to the tax shortfall would be what? As I see it there are only two choices, more taxes, or fewer services. Which do you choose? Would you cut those programs you don’t like? If so which ones? Please be specific. Calculated the total cost of each proposed cut and how much that will do toward eliminating the shortfall.
I’m surprised the tribes are not screaming a little louder about hatchery cuts, I mean they did make an investment in her political campaign to the tune of 750k. Nice to know she sold us out for that pittance of an amount.
If she sold us out to the tribes, why would she cut their hatcheries? Seems like an inconsistent argument.
Oops did you guys vote for her, no one I know did.
Another generalization. Of course soe of us guys voted for her and some didn’t.Perhaps you need to expand your cicrle of friends. Looks to me like she got more votes than her opponent. Sooo, somebody voted for her.
Anyway, if anyone has been through the Master Hunter program, there is alot of volunteers available to help, as long as they are willing to give us sportsmen the credit.
No reason not to use more volunteers. I agree with you on that. But understand that those volunteers must be trained by someone, monitored by someone, insured, reports must be completes etc. There are no free lunches, only reduced cost lunches.
We are a mirror image of California in respects to government, taxation, and the way the people in Olympia do business. Don’t you think it’s time to send a message and vote every last one of them out.
No. I don't there are good and bad legislators. Why toss everyone? Makes no sense to me. We have a few who are working hard for sportsman, I sure don’t want to lose them.?
Maybe then the incoming lawmakers will see the light and work for us, the guys and gals who pay their wages. As you already noted many work for whichever lobbyist or special interest group that pays their way. How would you stop that? Do you support campaign financing reform, Public support of elections? What are your answers?
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#561307 - 12/04/09 01:05 PM
Re: More cuts for Fish and Wildlife Department
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 10/31/02
Posts: 1295
Loc: Monroe,WA.
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I'd sure like to see more casual users of WDFW access sites buy parking permits.
Last summer during the heat wave, I counted 65 cars at the Lewis Street access one afternoon here in Monroe, lots of folks cooling off in the river.
Out of 65 cars there were 0 parking permits hanging from rear view mirrors.
WDFW enforcement could issue a lot of tickets in a situation like this, but the paperwork would be overwhelming.
I'd like to see them make an appearance every now and then and post a courtesy warning on the offender's windshields, advising them about the parking permits and how it helps the Department's revenue, to maintain these sites ( if that is where the money actually goes?)
I talked to a Snohomish County officer on the scene last year responding to calls about swimmers jumping off the Lewis Street Bridge and he told me they did not write citations for parking since the WDFW officers who might have patrolled do all the info on their computer for writing up later at the office, so they the Sno County guys don't know if someone might have already be cited that day.
It is not uncommon to see people exercising their dogs, eating their lunch, or taking a nap at these sites
I certainly have no objection to that, but I'd like to see all users participate pay their fair share of what is basically a user fee for sportsmen who buy licenses.
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#561308 - 12/04/09 01:07 PM
Re: More cuts for Fish and Wildlife Department
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Registered: 11/30/09
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I could't agree more AuntyM. Last year you better believe our legislators where watching their e-mails and public testimony of uniformity when SB 5127 was being introduced, debated, and defeated.
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#561317 - 12/04/09 01:42 PM
Re: More cuts for Fish and Wildlife Department
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Spawner
Registered: 09/21/08
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I went to the Tacoma News Tribune link and read the article. That article "Inferred" that there were cuts to "Senior Management", That is Blatant Political Bull Crap!!!!! I was able to download the 2006 personnel listing of the entire department (around 1550 FTE) that shows names, FTE status, pay, and most importantly JOB TITLE, ie, functional description of what each employee does. Yes the last round of the cuts ONLY HIT the Hatchery & LEO functions quite deeply. BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTTTTTT, did little or no cutting to OVERHEAD FUNCTIONS, ie, Information Technology/PC/IT Support (about 90 FTE), Budget/Financial/Program/Communications Analysts (100 plus FTE), truck drivers, welders, carpenters, etc. The cuts hit the meat or direct mission support activities and left almost NO CUTS to the overheads. Another serious analysis needs to be performed to guide future cuts and that is what can be contracted out (IT FUNCTIONS ESPECIALLY!!!!). Keep direct mission support functions like Hatcheries.
I think I would characterize the last round of cuts as "FTE Management For Goobermint Dummies." Just maybe they could do it right this time and NOT piss off their "Customers", that us license buyers just in case one of the Goobers is reading this.
If anyone of you want that dowload (Excel Spreadsheet), PM me your email address and I'll send it to you.
Edited by JohnQ (12/04/09 01:43 PM)
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#561339 - 12/04/09 03:02 PM
Re: More cuts for Fish and Wildlife Department
[Re: JohnQ]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 05/22/05
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For those who believe raising taxes during economic down times is the wrong thing to do, then behold the fruits of your believes.
You can't have it both ways, without sufficient funding, services will be cut.
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#561346 - 12/04/09 03:26 PM
Re: More cuts for Fish and Wildlife Department
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River Nutrients
Registered: 04/25/00
Posts: 5048
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JohnQ:
I've had that same list for many years......It's scary how much $$$$$$ is spent on the "in office personnel" but that is to be expected, those are the people that suggestion which employees should be "cut".
Pisses me off.....for 6 or 7 years, I've tried to get a "2nd rod, allowed" for a extra fee, I suggested $25.00, but "WDFW powers that be", said that the 2nd rod was being allowed on lakes in this State, then further reseach shows that the list of lakes where you "can't use a 2nd rod" is very long.........grrrrrrrrrrr
Another thing I'd increase...."non-resident fish fees".....compared to hunting fees, % wise its almost nothing.
WDFW has "made thier bed".....hope the resources can survive "the back room" politics and game playing????????
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#561366 - 12/04/09 03:49 PM
Re: More cuts for Fish and Wildlife Department
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River Nutrients
Registered: 10/04/06
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DrifterWA: "I've had that same list for many years......It's scary how much $$$$$$ is spent on the "in office personnel" but that is to be expected, those are the people that suggestion which employees should be "cut". "
Did you see where the folks in charge of State's Retirement/investment fund gave themselves a big bonus eventhough the fund lost money?
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