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#583148 - 02/22/10 11:06 AM Re: One of democracies many problems [Re: ]
StinkingWaters Offline
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Funny thing Hank is that it seems Todd has no idea Paul supporters are the arch enemies of Neocons everywhere (for many reasons but mostly for differences on foreign policy).

Paul has attended the CPAC conference many times. He's often met with boos.

Hey Todd,

Whats wrong with making an attempt to persuade so-called conservatives into accepting a realistic world view?
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#583152 - 02/22/10 11:15 AM Re: One of democracies many problems [Re: StinkingWaters]
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No problem with gathering up as many supporters as you can...and yes, guilt by association does come up, or you wouldn't have all the righties continually harping on about a total non-issue, that of ACORN.

CPAC is full of nutcases.

That being said, it was a bit refreshing to see some of the attendees at this week's conference booing that hateful bigot Sorba...I'll admit, that surprised me.

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#583157 - 02/22/10 11:36 AM Re: One of democracies many problems [Re: Todd]
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I didn't ask whether or not the right uses ACORN as guilt by association. How old are you? They did it so it's OK for you to do it?

ACORN is full of nutcases too, so are a lot of other organizations from all shapes. What does that prove? That some people are crazy? Pat yourself on the back now.

I can say with 99.9% certainty that the boos for Sorba were coming from the C4L attendees, they were there in force as they were last year. So see,.....the very fact that Paul and his supporters were there resulted in an occurence that "suprised" and "refreshed" you.
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#583162 - 02/22/10 11:47 AM Re: One of democracies many problems [Re: StinkingWaters]
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Well this took longer than I thought it would, but the outcome was inevitable.
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#583167 - 02/22/10 11:58 AM Re: One of democracies many problems [Re: Dave Vedder]
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Methinks that SW takes the InterWebz a little too seriously.

Fish on...

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#583168 - 02/22/10 12:03 PM Re: One of democracies many problems [Re: Todd]
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rofl

Ok I'll concede that I get a little worked up at times but you still averted from addressing anything I said.

That being said, I'll take what you said with a grain of salt considering it came from someone who has made over 10,000 posts here over the course of ten years,..........I take the interwebz a little too seriously??

Maybe you should take a peek in the mirror duder.


Edited by StinkingWaters (02/22/10 12:07 PM)
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#583179 - 02/22/10 12:40 PM Re: One of democracies many problems [Re: StinkingWaters]
Todd Offline
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That's only about three posts per day...yer averagin' 'bout the same so far smile

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#583180 - 02/22/10 12:51 PM Re: One of democracies many problems [Re: Todd]
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Touche grin
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#583182 - 02/22/10 12:55 PM Re: One of democracies many problems [Re: StinkingWaters]
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Speaking French now? Are you surrendering?
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#583183 - 02/22/10 01:00 PM Re: One of democracies many problems [Re: stlhead]
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Surrender to you Commies?,....... Never rofl

I'm just man enough to concede to someone when they have made a good point. No sense in letting pride get in the way of logical conversation.

You might want to write that one down.
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#583453 - 02/23/10 11:53 AM Re: One of democracies many problems [Re: StinkingWaters]
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To Dave's and Dan's OP, I think this is very relevant about the demise of our republic
("to control The Majority strictly, as well as all others among the people, primarily to protect The Individual’s God-given, unalienable rights and therefore for the protection of the rights of The Minority, of all minorities, and the liberties of people in general")
Which is wrongly called a democracy ("majority over man"), and may help "shed the chains" (see 14th Amendment, below) of our current coke/pepsi corporatist governance.

its a brief soapbox, then I'll go back to contemplating weighted vs. unweighted worms "in the zone".

We can handle big words, big concepts, need big attention spans (turn off the TV), big consequences (debt slavery for most americans) for ignoring it. This is where the "uneducated electorate" needs to pay attention. There is a strong streak of learned anti-intellectualism that's pervasive in our culture. I don't think that's an accident. But it is harmful to a national dialogue on how to weather the next decades.

http://www.tripzine.com/listing.php?id=corporate_metabolism

"Individual Sovereignty

In 01861, the US Civil War erupted, ostensibly over the moral issue of slavery, but arguably fought over political and commercial issues: Northerners distrusted the Southern plantation model, convinced that it would not support the economic expansion required for their corporations.

Toward the close of the conflict, in 01864, President Lincoln sent a letter to Col. William F. Elkins, apprehending the war's true nature and eventual outcome: "I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in high places will follow, ... and the money-power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed." Note that these words came from the man — one of the first notable Republican leaders — who had championed a bloody war effort to crush anti-corporate rebellion.

Slavery was abolished, and three years after the war ended, the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution established "equal protection" under the law for all persons. Or was that "equal protection" for corporations? Within two decades, in 01886, the infamous Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad (118 U.S. 394) case invoked the 14th Amendment to protect corporations as "legal persons" which in turn acted as agents and property of "natural persons". In other words, as constitutionally endorsed tulpas. This decision strengthened precedents established by Dartmouth v. Woodward to remove control of corporations from state/populace jurisdiction. In a haunting sense, the text of the decision also recalled the "natural man" quote by Hobbes.

Question #4: How much did the 14th Amendment actually get used to benefit African Americans?

Writing fifty years later in 01938, US Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black echoed Lincoln's eleventh-hour realization: "...of the cases in this Court in which the Fourteenth Amendment was applied during the first fifty years after its adoption, less than one-half of one per cent. invoked it in protection of the negro race, and more than fifty per cent. asked that its benefits be extended to corporations... I do not believe that the Fourteenth Amendment had that purpose, nor that the people believed it had that purpose, nor that it should be construed as having that purpose."

There you have it folks. Thirty years after the ratification of the US Constitution, the original experiment in democracy was over. Defunct. Back to being worse off than they'd fared as colonists, the Americans got pissed off and started to war with each other. No matter what you learned in school (using textbooks produced by corporate publishers, no doubt) the war concerned slavery... It meant precious little about ending the subjugation of African Americans, since de facto civil rights would not even begin to happen for another hundred years! The war, however, meant much more about establishing and enforcing corporate slavery, which 118 U.S. 394 practically guaranteed. America launched into its heyday of trusts, robber barons, etc. Individual sovereignty was all but gone. In effect, referendum by the populace had itself become a risk externalized by the corporate form."

Ain't it provoking?

Tangled webs ain't in it, what?

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#583496 - 02/23/10 01:36 PM Re: One of democracies many problems [Re: Salmo g.]
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Originally Posted By: Salmo g.
Hey, we have the very best government that money can buy!

Problem is, even if we had a benevolent dictator, he or she would be bought off by the same corporate interests that own our present government. Therefore, a different form of government wouldn't benefit any of us; just the super-rich.

No one's listenin', but I keep sayin', "up the revolution!" Maybe go French style this time - the entire aristocracy gets beheaded. Create new opportunity for a new generation of corruption, greed, avarice, and all the other assorted negative attributes of humanity.


BEHEADINGS? COUNT ME IN!!
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#583507 - 02/23/10 02:36 PM Re: One of democracies many problems [Re: big moby]
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"tree of liberty", and all that..

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#583537 - 02/23/10 04:18 PM Re: One of democracies many problems [Re: DougT]
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I think it needs some watering grin
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