#608879 - 07/02/10 12:27 PM
Re: Late or NO SHOW... where are the Bristol Bay s
[Re: ChumDog]
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Ornamental Rice Bowl
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One thing this hiccup will likely do is finish off the outfits on the Nush that were borderline already, I'm told a ton of bookings were canceled when the C&R news hit. Lame... I hope they at least got to keep the deposits.
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#608882 - 07/02/10 12:32 PM
Re: Late or NO SHOW... where are the Bristol Bay s
[Re: SBD]
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There's also a lot of species that have gone extinct on this planet without our help. Most can be traced back to extreme changes in climate, I think its how mother nature fixes her mistakes. I'd hardly classify local extinctions of salmon in that circumstance a "mistake". Salmon are like the ultimate weeds of the fish world. The key is their full diversity of life history strategies to deal with whatever Ma Nature throws at 'em. They persist despite all manner of natural disaster, promptly recolonizing any suitable habitat that later becomes available.
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#608886 - 07/02/10 12:45 PM
Re: Late or NO SHOW... where are the Bristol Bay s
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http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/290/5492/795I didn't buy the abstract but I'm leery of using 4000 year old sediment records without knowing what other events might have occurred in the ring of fire.
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#608950 - 07/02/10 08:23 PM
Re: Late or NO SHOW... where are the Bristol Bay s
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With no rain for 10 days its not surprising they were a bit late. I just got off the phone with 2 people up there, its been raining for 2 days now and its forcasted to rain another 5 straight. They caught 13 kings this morning and 7 in the afternoon sprinkled with an abundance of chums, even with no bait/scent. Its still no bait/scent and C&R atm but that will probably change in a few days now that they are moving into the system. One thing this hiccup will likely do is finish off the outfits on the Nush that were borderline already, I'm told a ton of bookings were canceled when the C&R news hit. Oh my, it did change. River is now officially closed to all king salmon fishing, period. We've already had a few calls for people now looking to come this way ...
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#608952 - 07/02/10 08:35 PM
Re: Late or NO SHOW... where are the Bristol Bay s
[Re: Bob]
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Yep.. it's official:
July 02, 2010
NUSHAGAK-MULCHATNA DRAINAGE CLOSED TO SPORT FISHING FOR KING SALMON
Sport fishing for king salmon and the use of bait is prohibited in all waters of the Nushagak-Mulchatna drainage effective 12:01 a.m., Monday, July 5, 2010. This closure prohibits all sport fishing for king salmon, including catch-and-release fishing. King salmon may not be retained or possessed; king salmon accidentally caught while fishing for other species may not be removed from the water and must be released immediately.
These restrictions are made in accordance with 5 AAC 06.361. Nushagak-Mulchatna King Salmon Management Plan. The plan directs the department to close the sport fishery for king salmon and prohibit the use of bait if the spawning escapement of king salmon in the Nushagak River is projected to be less than 40,000 fish. Through July 1 an estimated 24,646 king salmon have passed the sonar at Portage Creek, and the spawning escapement is projected to be less than 40,000 fish.
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#609006 - 07/03/10 08:37 AM
Re: Late or NO SHOW... where are the Bristol Bay s
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River Nutrients
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Via the link Doc povided I see that approx. 6 million Bristol Bay sockeye were harvested this past week. Wonder what the in river counts look like.
Tight lines Curt
Edited by Smalma (07/03/10 08:23 PM)
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#609023 - 07/03/10 12:52 PM
Re: Late or NO SHOW... where are the Bristol Bay s
[Re: Smalma]
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Yes, I see the catch took a spike for week 27. Historically the fishery peaks around the 4th of July.... this week.
Clicking thru a bunch of the different fishing area links at the bottom of that page, I see everything looks to be about a week late.
Then I got to thinkin' about "statistical week". There are 52 weeks in a year... thru the last week of June should have been roughly 26 weeks, but they are already reporting week 27.
HMMMM....
Looks like the statistical week ends on a Friday. This year, "week one" ended on Fri Jan 1, burning up a statistical week by the time the calendar year just got started. So the tardiness we're seeing is probably just an accounting artifact.
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#609059 - 07/03/10 04:31 PM
Re: Late or NO SHOW... where are the Bristol Bay s
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BUCK NASTY!!
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Yes, I see the catch took a spike for week 27. Historically the fishery peaks around the 4th of July.... this week.
Clicking thru a bunch of the different fishing area links at the bottom of that page, I see everything looks to be about a week late.
Then I got to thinkin' about "statistical week". There are 52 weeks in a year... thru the last week of June should have been roughly 26 weeks, but they are already reporting week 27.
HMMMM....
Looks like the statistical week ends on a Friday. This year, "week one" ended on Fri Jan 1, burning up a statistical week by the time the calendar year just got started. So the tardiness we're seeing is probably just an accounting artifact. Good point Doc, I've noticed that over the years with the calendar vs. fish returns.... Keith
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#609375 - 07/06/10 11:35 AM
Re: Late or NO SHOW... where are the Bristol Bay s
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Looks like things will be ok
Attachments
UW_inseason_report_7052010.pdf (450 downloads)
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#609465 - 07/06/10 07:53 PM
Re: Late or NO SHOW... where are the Bristol Bay s
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River Nutrients
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Chum... do you really think that ADFG doesn't know where to place their sonar equipment and that's why the decision to close the river to all king fishing, including c&r was made... really?
Mag Warts used to be the "go to" king lure on that river... so it is completely within reason that the gamies would frown upon Hot Shots being used to fish for chum. When they say they don't want you targeting kings at all... they mean at all... so why push it?
If you're really interested in targeting the chum and not the kings, just swing flies or drift gear from the bank.
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#609509 - 07/07/10 12:54 AM
Re: Late or NO SHOW... where are the Bristol Bay s
[Re: 4Salt]
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If you're really interested in targeting the chum and not the kings, just swing flies or drift gear from the bank.
+100
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#609660 - 07/07/10 08:44 PM
Re: Late or NO SHOW... where are the Bristol Bay s
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clown flocker
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There about halfway through the 39,000,000 projected run, 30 for harvest and 9 for escapements. Not sure if they will hit the harvest number but the escapement should be easy now.
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#609718 - 07/08/10 01:02 AM
Re: Late or NO SHOW... where are the Bristol Bay s
[Re: SBD]
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Returning Adult
Registered: 12/04/99
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Loc: Seattle
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A buddy just got back from the Nush on Saturday. He said "every" Chinook they landed had extensive net marks (they landed over 100). No doubt the Chinook take a beating getting throught the Sockeye nets as if they have taken enough of a beating from Pollock trawl bycatch of Chinook. Pollock trawl has killed more than 477,000 Chinook in Bering Sea during the past 10 years per NOAA. Over 120,000 alone in 2007 when restrictions were relaxed. Those darn commercial fishermen just can't exhibit self control can they... http://www.fakr.noaa.gov/sustainablefisheries/inseason/chinook_salmon_mortality.pdf I'm sure all this has little to do with lower numbers of Chinook in the Nush. ;-)
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#609719 - 07/08/10 01:17 AM
Re: Late or NO SHOW... where are the Bristol Bay s
[Re: R Ridgeway]
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clown flocker
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Landing over a hundred can't be helping either
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#609743 - 07/08/10 10:01 AM
Re: Late or NO SHOW... where are the Bristol Bay s
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clown flocker
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Just saying out of those hundred with net marks they now have hook marks too..Then the next group flies in...and finally the bears need to eat. But your right there being over handled something the sockeye aren't. 
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