#628714 - 10/18/10 05:23 PM
Braided Line for float fishing: Brand % Test?
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 03/04/10
Posts: 170
Loc: Moscow, Idaho
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Yesterday, while fishing Idaho's Clearwater, I lost a large, hot fish that I never saw. I was float fishing while using 30# fireline Crystal and 8# Ultragreen leader. My drag was appropriately loose, but after a couple of minutes, the fish's head-shakes snapped the 8# leader (not at the knot). I like braid for float fishing for mending purposes, and I plan to use 10# Ultragreen leaders from now on.
Can anyone suggest a braided line, which floats well and will work with a 10 pound Ultragreen leader. I do not want to snap off anymore large steelhead this winter.
Thank you,
Jake
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#628716 - 10/18/10 05:34 PM
Re: Braided Line for float fishing: Brand % Test?
[Re: steelheader316]
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Spawner
Registered: 03/02/08
Posts: 777
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I think you've got the right idea. Perhaps you're leader was just a little light for the fish. It happens.
I have been using Powerpro 30# for float fishing.
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#628718 - 10/18/10 05:36 PM
Re: Braided Line for float fishing: Brand % Test?
[Re: SRoffe]
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 03/04/10
Posts: 170
Loc: Moscow, Idaho
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Thanks man, Think 10# Ultragreen will stand up to 30# Powerpro?
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#628722 - 10/18/10 05:44 PM
Re: Braided Line for float fishing: Brand % Test?
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Spawner
Registered: 12/14/01
Posts: 640
Loc: The Tailout
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I usually use 14 # original Fireline to a swivel, to 12 # UG. The leader choice depends a lot on your rod. Fast, powerful rods do not work well with light leader, especially if you're using braid. (the leader breaks)
Sorry about your fish. It happens to everyone.
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#628723 - 10/18/10 05:44 PM
Re: Braided Line for float fishing: Brand % Test?
[Re: steelheader316]
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Carcass
Registered: 08/28/08
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Loc: varies
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I have been really happy with Tuff line xp. I prefer yellow, then use a sharpy to darken about 10ft. of the line. However, you most likely do not need to.
I have also heard really good things about the power pro. Whatever you do, stay away from the Hydrofloat, it flat out sucks! coating comes off with bobber stop......
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#628725 - 10/18/10 05:50 PM
Re: Braided Line for float fishing: Brand % Test?
[Re: big moby]
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 03/04/10
Posts: 170
Loc: Moscow, Idaho
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Thanks for the input gentlemen, any suggestions on a spinning float rod, I was thinking of purchasing a Loomis 11'4" STFR1363S Mod-Fast Med-Light rod to help with shock absorption.
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#628726 - 10/18/10 05:52 PM
Re: Braided Line for float fishing: Brand % Test?
[Re: steelheader316]
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Hippie
Registered: 01/31/02
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Thanks man, Think 10# Ultragreen will stand up to 30# Powerpro? That is a very strange way to phrase that question. Are you asking if 10# Ultragreen will break at the same pressure as 30# Powerpro? If so, the answer is "no". Most float fishermen use either 20# or 30# braid to a mono leader (I use a barrell swivel between the two). The leader size will be primarily dictated by water conditions and fish. It sounds like your braid had nothing to do with you losing your fish (which is how it should go).
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#628728 - 10/18/10 05:59 PM
Re: Braided Line for float fishing: Brand % Test?
[Re: AP a.k.a. Kaiser D]
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 03/04/10
Posts: 170
Loc: Moscow, Idaho
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I understand that 8# leader will break much more easily than 30# braid, as well as the fact that some fish will be lost regardless, i just meant would 10# Ultragreen generally hold up a leader material with 30# braid.
The Clearwater generally runs light green to gin clear most of the season, and I would prefer to use 10 rather than 12# leader; after 15 years fishing it, I have gotten bit more using 10# that 12#.
I was basically wondering if I could get away with 10# leader most of the time.
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#628731 - 10/18/10 06:05 PM
Re: Braided Line for float fishing: Brand % Test?
[Re: steelheader316]
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 12/12/09
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B-runs are beasts. Had one pull apart a two-way barrell on me once.
I like 30# Power Pro or 30# Power Pro HiVis (when I can find it) and 12lb UG. Sounds like 10# UG may be better for the water you're fishing as opposed to the 12#.
Have to admit I'm with KD on your question about the 10# UG.
Hold up as a leader material?
Yep, it will just fine.
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#628732 - 10/18/10 06:06 PM
Re: Braided Line for float fishing: Brand % Test?
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 03/04/10
Posts: 170
Loc: Moscow, Idaho
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Abu,
You're right, It was a big fish and it happens. Just wanted to double-check and see if I was doing it wrong.
Thanks for the input anyway.
Jake
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#628733 - 10/18/10 06:08 PM
Re: Braided Line for float fishing: Brand % Test?
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River Nutrients
Registered: 02/14/06
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Loc: Elma
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You could run 4lb leader and 30 lb braid and get away with it....with the right rod and drag setting. Your thinking into it waaay too much.
This. I use 8# leaders on summer fish, on 30# braid all the time, and almost never lose a fish due to a break off. You need to think of it this way: The braid will not stretch or break. A 3' leader will only stretch the tiniest bit. So something else has to cushion the fight of the fish. That something else is your rod and your reel.
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#628734 - 10/18/10 06:13 PM
Re: Braided Line for float fishing: Brand % Test?
[Re: Rocket Red]
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 03/04/10
Posts: 170
Loc: Moscow, Idaho
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Any rod ideas out there, I have a Shimano Stradic with a nice drag, but the rod I have now id only 10' and I was thinking of going with 11' or more, for more cushion.
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#628739 - 10/18/10 06:55 PM
Re: Braided Line for float fishing: Brand % Test?
[Re: AP a.k.a. Kaiser D]
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Spawner
Registered: 12/14/01
Posts: 640
Loc: The Tailout
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The "cushion" the rod will generate is as much dictated by the action of the rod as it is by the length. You could have a flimsy 8 foot rod that provides a lot of cushion or a 15 foot rod that is stiff and provides none. Most people fish longer float rods in order to help mend the floating braid and/or keep the braid off the water entirely.
A 10' or 11' float rod is about right for most people although everyone has their preference. I use a Loomis 1263 and consider it a great float rod. Seeing as how you want cushion, you're likely to start looking at "noodle rods" (long and super-soft). I'd avoid these rods as they lack the backbone to land fish quickly when/if you need to do so. Good luck. If you are already breaking off big fish, you're basically doing it all right. Just bump the leader strength up a couple of notches.
What he said. I'd add that the length of the rod is more relative to the distance of the mends than the action on the fish. Bigger water = longer rod. Bigger fish = strong rod with bigger line & leader. A moderate action rod, will help cushion the leader a bit if you want to fish the light stuff, but don't get a real powerful rod, as that will stress the light leader too.
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#628741 - 10/18/10 07:02 PM
Re: Braided Line for float fishing: Brand % Test?
[Re: steelheader316]
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BUCK NASTY!!
Registered: 01/26/00
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Loc: Vancouver, WA
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I understand that 8# leader will break much more easily than 30# braid, as well as the fact that some fish will be lost regardless, i just meant would 10# Ultragreen generally hold up a leader material with 30# braid.
The Clearwater generally runs light green to gin clear most of the season, and I would prefer to use 10 rather than 12# leader; after 15 years fishing it, I have gotten bit more using 10# that 12#.
I was basically wondering if I could get away with 10# leader most of the time. I can assure you that if you fished 12# test more often you wouldn't notice the difference in hook-ups vs. the 10# test... The rod protects the line, use the right rod, Loomis 1141, 1082 or 1162 and you can dictate your leader size... Keith
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#628743 - 10/18/10 07:08 PM
Re: Braided Line for float fishing: Brand % Test?
[Re: stlhdr1]
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Fry
Registered: 10/15/09
Posts: 38
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Maybe you had a nick in the leader and it failed when tested. Check the full length of your leader often for abrasions.
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