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#634405 - 11/10/10 04:21 PM Re: Palin cost Republicans the senate [Re: bait dunker]
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The difference is these are government employees (our employees) who are legally on the take.
Charities, Levi's or Wal Mart aren't working for us.
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#634408 - 11/10/10 04:22 PM Re: Palin cost Republicans the senate [Re: docspud]
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Originally Posted By: docspud
I have often wondered that myself AM. Find one jacka$$ to argue it and five other jacka$$es to buy it and you have law straight from the bench. Way to go SCOTUS......your number one!


Don't forget that prior to Dred Scott the supremes held slavery to be legal. What the supremes consider legal at one time may be somethng diffrent at another.

As others have mentioned the supremes have already held certain types of speech illegal they can just as well uphold campaign contribution limits. One more supreme court vacancy could change it all. Two of the current crop are 74 plus.


Edited by Dave Vedder (11/10/10 04:27 PM)
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#634410 - 11/10/10 04:25 PM Re: Palin cost Republicans the senate [Re: stlhead]
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I'm surprised it isn't yet legal to "donate" to supreme court judges.
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#634420 - 11/10/10 05:12 PM Re: Palin cost Republicans the senate [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: AuntyM
What stlhead said BD. You do seem to be confusing charitable groups with political candidates...


Why is there a difference? Why shouldn't I have the right to contribute to the candidate who I believe will represent my views or interests? So no supporting anti gillnet politicians?
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#634441 - 11/10/10 05:55 PM Re: Palin cost Republicans the senate [Re: ]
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Of all the proposed legislation to remove the ability of money being the deciding factor in politics.
This top down concept seems fair to all candidates, and still allows Bait Dunker the option of contributing.



Voting with Dollars
The Voting with Dollars plan would establish a system of modified public financing coupled with an anonymous campaign contribution process. It has two parts: patriot dollars and the secret donation booth. It was originally described in detail by Yale Law School professors Bruce Ackerman and Ian Ayres in their 2004 book Voting with Dollars: A new paradigm for campaign finance[1]. All voters would be given a $50 publicly funded voucher (Patriot dollars) to donate to federal political campaigns. All donations including both the $50 voucher and additional private contributions, must be made anonymously through the FEC. Ackerman and Ayres include model legislation in their book in addition to detailed discussion as to how such a system could be achieved and its legal basis.

Of the Patriot dollars (e.g. $50 per voter) given to voters to allocate, they propose $25 going to presidential campaigns, $15 to Senate campaigns, and $10 to House campaigns. Within those restrictions the voucher can be split among any number of candidates for any federal race and between the primary and general elections. At the end of the current election cycle any unspent portions of this voucher would expire and could not be rolled over to subsequent elections for that voter. In the context of the 2004 election cycle $50 multiplied by the approximately 120 million people who voted would have yielded about $6 billion in “public financing” compared to the approximate $4 billion spent in 2004 for all federal elections (House, Senate and Presidential races) combined [2]. Ackerman and Ayers argue that this system would pool voter money and force candidates to address issues of importance to a broad spectrum of voters. Additionally they argue this public finance scheme would address taxpayers' concerns that they have "no say" in where public financing monies are spent, whereas in the Voting with Dollars system each taxpayer who votes has discretion over their contribution.

The second aspect of the system increases some private donation limits, but all contributions must be made anonymously through the FEC. In this system, when a contributor make a donation to a campaign they send their money to the FEC indicating which campaign they want it to go to. The FEC masks the money and distributes it directly to the campaigns in randomized chunks over a number of days. Ackerman and Ayres compare this system to the reforms adopted in the late 19th century aimed to prevent vote buying, which led to our current secret ballot process. Prior to that time voting was conducted openly, allowing campaigns to confirm that voters cast ballots for the candidates they had been paid to support. Ackerman and Ayres contend that if candidates do not know for sure who is contributing to their campaigns they are unlikely to take unpopular stances to court large donors which could jeopardize donations flowing from voter vouchers. Conversely, large potential donors will not be able to gain political access or favorable legislation in return for their contributions since they cannot prove to candidates the supposed extent of their financial support.



Edited by freespool (11/10/10 06:12 PM)

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#634975 - 11/12/10 03:24 PM Re: Palin cost Republicans the senate [Re: ]
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Your money is equal to your voice in regards to elections. There will never be a legal case of any merit make it out of the SCOTUS to reverse that belief, There will never be an amendment to the constitution on that issue.
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