#640160 - 12/03/10 08:00 PM
3 hook brands, all have problems
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Spawner
Registered: 08/30/10
Posts: 656
Loc: Grays Harbor
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Mustad: barb size was rediculously inconsistant, some just right, some 3-5x larger, some almost not there. Danielson: 1:10 hook had screwed up eyes, barbs were pretty good but shape was off in 1:20 Eagle Claw: barb shape inconsistant, 3 semi-open eyes in 50, finish on 5:50 was rough.
What is happening to QC in hooks? Not to mention all 3 were octopus hooks in the same size and they were all different sizes with Danielson being the largest gap and EC being the smallest. I realize that these numbers are not that high for errors but still a lot higher than I ever remember seeing. Even with VMC, I only found 4 problem hooks out of 1,000 but that was 8 years ago. I imagine the same error rate is probably in VMC as any other anymore.
I use a Dremel to grind the barbs now but with some of them the hook was so thin at the barb throat the hook broke, 3 Dan, 2 Mustad and 2 EC. Not to mention that huge barbs take forever to grind and with some of the hard as*** fish cops out there would never pass their sweater snag test. (I know, not the law but tell them that).
It is just so damn annoying to see prices go up and up and Quality go down more and more. Still better than seeing entire batches of hooks being bad but won't be long until we see that in all our hooks, not just Matzuo.
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#640163 - 12/03/10 08:08 PM
Re: 3 hook brands, all have problems
[Re: fish_4_all]
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 01/03/06
Posts: 241
Loc: Wa
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Ever heard of Gamagatsu?
When it comes to catching I am willing to spend a little more
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#640165 - 12/03/10 08:15 PM
Re: 3 hook brands, all have problems
[Re: Slab]
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 09/02/06
Posts: 190
Loc: Forest Grove, Oregon
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Slab said:
"Ever heard of Gamagatsu?
When it comes to catching I am willing to spend a little more "
I agree!
Gamagatsu is what I use.
Quality matters.
Edited by KoneZone (12/03/10 08:17 PM)
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#640171 - 12/03/10 08:54 PM
Re: 3 hook brands, all have problems
[Re: Driftfishnw]
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ExtenZe Field Tester
Registered: 11/10/09
Posts: 7960
Loc: Vancouver, WA
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All three hooks you listed are on the cheap side... You pay for what you get. Yep. There are good premium hooks like Gami and Owner. Even Mustad has their premium UltraPoint but I haven't tried them. Used a bunch of 92553's back in the day, though...they worked.....just not sticky sharp out of the box. Used to get like 50 - 100 hooks in a box.....now it's like 8 ct., 12 ct., 25 ct. I spend too much on hooks
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#640173 - 12/03/10 09:06 PM
Re: 3 hook brands, all have problems
[Re: Moravec]
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My Waders are Moist
Registered: 11/20/08
Posts: 3419
Loc: PNW
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Hooks are one of the only pieces of tackle I always want to be good quality.
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#640182 - 12/03/10 09:35 PM
Re: 3 hook brands, all have problems
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BUCK NASTY!!
Registered: 01/26/00
Posts: 6312
Loc: Vancouver, WA
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owners are a little heavy for driftfishing but are all I use on jigs and bait under a float. For sidedrifting and driftfishing I only use Gami's 0 Have you actually took a Owner 1/0 and weighed it against a Gamakatsu 1/0? Is there really a noticeable difference? I've fished all said hooks above in the original post... They all work, but I'd rather fish an Owner Cutting Point..... Keith
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#640191 - 12/03/10 09:50 PM
Re: 3 hook brands, all have problems
[Re: stlhdr1]
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 01/05/07
Posts: 1551
Loc: Bremerton, Wa.
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GAMI ..........I have fished with a lot of hooks, including Owner........everytime I have problems.........go back to Gami, problem fixed, I think I'm convinced now.
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#640245 - 12/04/10 12:34 AM
Re: 3 hook brands, all have problems
[Re: N W Panhandler]
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BUCK NASTY!!
Registered: 01/26/00
Posts: 6312
Loc: Vancouver, WA
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GAMI ..........I have fished with a lot of hooks, including Owner........everytime I have problems.........go back to Gami, problem fixed, I think I'm convinced now. There is no perfect hook, every hook has problems... I've straightened Gami's on a handful of occassions. I've had a few Owners break over the years... Keith
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#640277 - 12/04/10 06:44 AM
Re: 3 hook brands, all have problems
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Parr
Registered: 09/12/08
Posts: 64
Loc: Burlington WA
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I use Gamis and VMC's matter of fact I just received a pile of VMC hooks, Rapala has bought VMC so if those are what you want check the rapala web site. Rivers here are froze so I am stuck her bloging.......waaaaaaa
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#640303 - 12/04/10 11:14 AM
Re: 3 hook brands, all have problems
[Re: hooksetter1]
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Dah Rivah Stinkah Pink Mastah
Registered: 08/23/06
Posts: 6204
Loc: zipper
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Octopus hooks, Gami or Owner like said above. You get what you pay for.
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#640313 - 12/04/10 11:58 AM
Re: 3 hook brands, all have problems
[Re: hooksetter1]
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ExtenZe Field Tester
Registered: 11/10/09
Posts: 7960
Loc: Vancouver, WA
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For salmon, it's Owner Cutting Points all the way!
Fixed.
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