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#652115 - 01/09/11 08:08 PM Re: Worms not needing a threader ... interested?? [Re: Gray Ghost]
Todd Offline
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I've messed with the idea, and I'm afraid that if you could slip the line thru the worm without using a needle, then the worm will not have much friction on the line and will scrunch up waaayy to easily.

I'm working on some other ideas, but pretty much abandoned this one early on.

Fish on...

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#652137 - 01/09/11 09:11 PM Re: Worms not needing a threader ... interested?? [Re: Todd]
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Todd-
All you need to do is mold the worm with a high durometer (90 or above shore A) pinch tip on the worm that you can pinch when threading and then release and let it pinch the line.
Any rubber product can be molded with multiple hardness (shore A) and a tip with a slit that can pinch the line would work quite well. The higher hardness tip can be as long as needed to give the best performance.

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#652146 - 01/09/11 09:22 PM Re: Worms not needing a threader ... interested?? [Re: Gray Ghost]
eyeFISH Offline
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Originally Posted By: Grayghost


Thread the Uni knot leader in to the plastic worm the way you always have, starting 1/4 to 1/3 from the bottom/tail of the plastic worm. After threading the Uni knot leader in to the plastic worm, the Uni knot on the leader should be about 1/4 of the way down from the top/head of the plastic worm.


When you do this, doesn't the stubbly uni-knot score the leader tract within the worm?

I was thinking a one-way "barb" would be less damaging to the inner tract. It would tend to slide thru with minimal resistance when sliding the worm along in one direction, but "bite" into the tract to resist movement when trying to slide the worm in the opposite direction.
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#652206 - 01/09/11 11:24 PM Re: Worms not needing a threader ... interested?? [Re: eyeFISH]
Gray Ghost Offline
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Originally Posted By: eyeFISH
Originally Posted By: Grayghost


Thread the Uni knot leader in to the plastic worm the way you always have, starting 1/4 to 1/3 from the bottom/tail of the plastic worm. After threading the Uni knot leader in to the plastic worm, the Uni knot on the leader should be about 1/4 of the way down from the top/head of the plastic worm.


When you do this, doesn't the stubbly uni-knot score the leader tract within the worm?

I was thinking a one-way "barb" would be less damaging to the inner tract. It would tend to slide thru with minimal resistance when sliding the worm along in one direction, but "bite" into the tract to resist movement when trying to slide the worm in the opposite direction.


Scoring the leader tract? Not really, the tag ends just fold over while threading and the tag ends will pop out to 90 degrees inside the plastic worm by just slightly reversing the threading the opposite direction.

By changing the lb. mono. line used for the Uni knot, larger or smaller Uni knot, you can change how much Uni knot friction you want on the leader. Use the smallest lb. mono. for the Uni knot to achieve just enough friction to keep the plastic worm from scrunching and scoring of the threaded hole to a minimum. The heavier lb. test leader (more friction), the lighter mono. Uni knot line piece needed, the lighter lb. leader (less friction), the heavier mono. Uni knot line piece needed.

These mono. lb. leader formulas work most of the time:

10 lb. leader - 12 lb. mono. for the Uni knot
12 lb. leader - 10 lb. mono. for the Uni knot
15 lb. leader - 8 lb. mono. for the Uni knot


Edited by Grayghost (01/09/11 11:27 PM)

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#652215 - 01/09/11 11:57 PM Re: Worms not needing a threader ... interested?? [Re: eyeFISH]
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Loc: Puyallup, WA
Have you thought about using the pre holed worm to hold scent? Or having an adaptor to load the hole up with scent?

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#652231 - 01/10/11 12:41 AM Re: Worms not needing a threader ... interested?? [Re: TheHunt]
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Even though i dont fish ppink worms theres a chance i would start with pre holed worms. The selling point for me would be how the hole through the worm be? And how course how they look rigged up on a leader, maybe a few pictures with them chomped in between some steel jaws...
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#652255 - 01/10/11 01:27 AM Re: Worms not needing a threader ... interested?? [Re: Fear_no_fish]
fishbadger Offline
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I'd give a bunch of em a shot. . .I hate threading worms,

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#652339 - 01/10/11 12:38 PM Re: Worms not needing a threader ... interested?? [Re: fishbadger]
Salmo g. Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
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I was talking to some steelhead, and they said they don't like hollow worms, not as filling.

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#652344 - 01/10/11 12:58 PM Re: Worms not needing a threader ... interested?? [Re: Salmo g.]
OnTheDrop Offline
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Registered: 12/09/10
Posts: 405
Loc: Western WA
Yes & wondering if it could be molded directly onto a small swivel-leader-hook setup so you can just tie to the swivel, and no scrunching....?

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#652375 - 01/10/11 02:49 PM Re: Worms not needing a threader ... interested?? [Re: OnTheDrop]
Bob Offline

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Loc: Forks, WA & Soldotna, AK
I imagine it could, but that would probably get pretty costly and everyone's different in hook preference (as we all know) and line. I'll try to get a pic and video of threading later on.
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#652675 - 01/10/11 11:45 PM Re: Worms not needing a threader ... interested?? [Re: Bob]
fishook Offline
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Registered: 03/12/09
Posts: 38
I’m in would love to try them on the Situk will any be ready by April?

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#652847 - 01/11/11 03:06 AM Re: Worms not needing a threader ... interested?? [Re: fishook]
viigfish Offline
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Registered: 02/01/07
Posts: 80
Does anyone fish them wacky style? Using a short piece of straw slid up the worm with the hook going between the straw and worm.

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#652852 - 01/11/11 03:38 AM Re: Worms not needing a threader ... interested?? [Re: viigfish]
eyeFISH Offline
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Wacky style....


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#652887 - 01/11/11 12:25 PM Re: Worms not needing a threader ... interested?? [Re: eyeFISH]
Todd Offline
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That's not whacky style, Doc...that's rigged upside down, which is good for under a float...whacky is stabbing the hook right through the side of worm, or through a band or tube in the middle of the worm...

Fish on...

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#652898 - 01/11/11 01:07 PM Re: Worms not needing a threader ... interested?? [Re: Todd]
big moby Offline
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#652911 - 01/11/11 01:57 PM Re: Worms not needing a threader ... interested?? [Re: big moby]
Smalma Offline
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Registered: 11/25/01
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Loc: Marysville
Bob -
I wonder why folks can't use some super glue on the pre-drilled worms. Just a dropof super glue at each end with the line moved back and forth a time or two should result in worm held in place. Suspect such a worm would stay in place at least as long as those worms using a threader.

Might be even be better on a braided leader rather than mono.

Just a couple ideas to consider.

Tight lines
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#652919 - 01/11/11 02:38 PM Re: Worms not needing a threader ... interested?? [Re: Smalma]
big moby Offline
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I'm not sure but I think the glue would weaken the leader........
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#652922 - 01/11/11 02:48 PM Re: Worms not needing a threader ... interested?? [Re: eyeFISH]
Gray Ghost Offline
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Registered: 03/30/08
Posts: 147
Loc: Washington
Originally Posted By: eyeFISH
Wacky style....



I rig a non-traditional plastic worm wacky style leader rig just like you also Doc. Threading the leader through the plastic worm at the center mid-balance point, usually just off center mid-point. I'll drift and float fish the plastic worm rigged this way, with good results for both presentations. Some say the plastic worm rigged this way does not present very well for drift fishing, but I have experienced the fish respond quit well to the drifted threaded non-traditional wacky style plastic worm. Rigged this way, the plastic worm will not scrunch on the leader, which is a real plus rigging the plastic worm this way.

Another non-traditional plastic worm wacky style rigging I'll use for float fishing is rigging the plastic worm on a barbed collar jig head. Mounting the plastic worm behind the jig head on to the barb, through the center mid-balance point, usually just off center mid-point. This non-traditional plastic worm wacky style jig rigging, is an excellent presentation for float fishing.


Edited by Grayghost (01/11/11 03:00 PM)

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#658168 - 01/27/11 11:26 PM Re: Worms not needing a threader ... interested?? [Re: Gray Ghost]
The Moderator Offline
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Registered: 02/09/00
Posts: 13956
Loc: Mitulaville
Anyone want to buy some Danny Joe High Floating worms?

I bet I have 250 that I will now part with after seeing these self-threading worms.

OH MY GAWD!!!!!!!!

The color is awesome. They float. They are durable. They totally rebound if you scrunch them up....yes, they work their way back up the line.

AND, it takes about 2 seconds to slap it on a leader.

Point. Set. Match.

Game over.

Long live the new King of Worms!!!

Me likey. Me want. Now!!!!!

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#658213 - 01/28/11 01:00 AM Re: Worms not needing a threader ... interested?? [Re: The Moderator]
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Registered: 10/13/08
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When might we get to buy some of these god sent worms? I was a human pin cushion the other day with my threader in my vest.
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