Typo.

I don't think anyone has said to just throw all the needy in the street. The premise has been to cut off those who abuse the system by gambling, buying drugs, or going to strip clubs with their benefits, and to give a time table to those receiving benefits to motivate them to find work. Very simple concept.

You're forgiven Hank....

Mf

Nice one Chuck.

Mf

AM is on to something here. The Californian, BD and BWP are more concerned about a single mom receiving some assistance so she can feed herself and her children than a man who already makes millions of dollars a year ripping off all of us so he can get a multi-million dollar bonus.

But then again this is the logic of T-baggers -- protect the rich at all costs, even if it means you living off 10 bucks and hour.

No, Marsha is trying the change the subject. Yes, corporate welfare is wrong and should be stopped, if a business can't survive on it's own, let it fail. There goes most of the "green jobs". I will hold wall street to the same standard as everyone else, abuse the system and you get cut off. If I catch my son shooting at the dog with his BB gun, he gets it taken away. The idea that if we can't stop the billions were losing we should just turn a blind eye is stupid. You start small, and gain momentum.

What if you're caught using farm diesel in your truck?

Then what?

I think your truck and farm equipment should be seized and sold off.

And then you should be hung or shot............right alongside Hank, for being the tax-dodging thief that HE is.

You guys make it sound hard to find a Stoopid...ferchrissakes, it's a steelhead fishing website...cast a spoon into the crowd and you're just as likely to snag a Stoopid as a dimwit snagging a king on the Skok.

I love the Skok.

Fish on...

Todd

HANK, SHUT THE FCUK UP!

Spoken like a guy who doesn't know how to solve big problems if you ask me. In any optimization problem I've ever been associated with, this is exactly the opposite of the correct strategy. You go after the BIG stuff first not the little stuff because:

a) It's big, not small.

b) You find that once you have gotten the big stuff, your perspective shifts and there is even MORE big stuff you hadn't noticed before.

c) "Momentum", while a fine physical analogy for getting a train moving, doesn't apply generally to accounting and budgeting.

Hank:

I don't know if McMahon actually works in foodservice or not, but either way, it makes you look like a real a$$ when you belittle others for the work they do. Besides, if they're working at all, a republican like yourself should be pleased.

I, myself spent almost 10 years in the restaurant business (because I loved the work), and I can assure you that most of the people working in that business have far better time and stress management skills than anybody whose work has been limited to office jobs and the like. If they don't, they don't last long.

Next time you're eating out and you feel obligated to bitch about the food or the service, keep in mind your opinion of the people working their asses off to provide you that experience. If you think they deserve less than $10/hr., you're getting exactly what you deserve when your dining experience sucks. There may be a lot of f-ups doing restaurant jobs, but the ratio is no higher there than in the white collar world, I can assure you.

And to answer your question about drug tests, you would be surprised how many restaurants drug test their employees. Corporate restaurants are especially likely to do so, as insurance companies give them a break on their premiums if they do random drug testing, and no corporation can resist a cost savings. in fact, the only jobs I have held where I have been subject to drug testing have been the lowest-paying ones. Since starting my professional career, I have never been drug tested.

Back to the topic at hand, I generally agree with Aunty. Welfare cheats are a problem in this country, but they don't even register on the scale next to the damage large corporations do to our reserves. Drug tests have no place in a free society, in my mind. To force someone who is destitute and seeking assistance to pay for a drug test seems counterproductive, if not downright inhumane.

Don't mind him. He's had way too much radiation.

Hank,

That doesn't mean we can't bag on you and call you a dickhead for saying it.......................cuz we're on the Dark Side.

Isn't the Dark Side awesome?

+1

For some it takes 65 years to figure it out, the brain trust around here is frightening.

What I want to know is why the 6.2% I pay on my employees earnings doesn't go to my retirement.. They didn't make it I did..

Yeah, but check this out...when you turn 65 and start drawing on Social Security, who's money do you think will be paying you then?

(Hint: It's the people who will be working and putting into it at that time)

(Hint 2: That's how it was set up to be...it's working right when the money you put into is paying current recipients, it's supposed to be that way. It's not a 401K plan, it's insurance, you pay when you work, you receive when you're done.)

Fish on...

Todd

"What I want to know is why the 6.2% taken out of my check for social security does not go towards my retirement, but someone elses? "

Because the system is designed under the assumption that you did not earn that money on your own, you earned the opportunity to make it because of the collective system in place in America. An example would be a farmer in Eastern Washington who claims he is a self made man and never got anything from the government so why should he pay into it. We you start asking him if he paid for the full length of road from his farm to where his grain was processed? Did he pay for the electrical grid to keep his lights on , Did he pay for all of the programs that allow low income workers to maintain a life style so they could work for him all on his own? If he truly was self made and paid as he went with out a govt. food would be worth more than gold. People do not want to admit or recognize that we live under a socialist system and have for a long time. That battle was fought and lost many years ago.

Hank:

First of all, it's "Capisce," not "Capiche." Capisce?

I'll admit to sometimes being a bit wet behind the ears in the past (and I probably will have plenty of opportunities to stick my foot in my mouth in the future), but I suspected you were simply jabbing McMahon. I don't read everything around here, but I don't recall McMahon posting anything to affiliate himself with "Taco Town," so I figured you were merely trying to insult him, which I agree is fair sport on the Dark Side. It's the fact that you chose to insult him by labeling him a lowly restaurant worker that I took issue with. Belittling a person for what he or she does for a living or how much he or she earns amounts to little more than petty, misguided arrogance, which does little to enhance one's credibility in an argument. You are here to make an argument, aren't you?

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to unruffle my tutu now. Kind of enjoying the bunched up panties, so I may leave those alone.

Tom,

I agree we are all slaves to the "system" , I just have to ask myelf that every payday. I just wonder where this country would be without all these programs. I do think you are mixing a couple of things the 6.2% has nothing to do with roads or power just an outdated "retirement system". I have no problem paying gas tax, well wait maybe I do but thats an other story..