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#656970 - 01/23/11 09:15 PM Knot for tying leader to jig to keep horizontal?
mikelz85 Offline
Fry

Registered: 01/10/11
Posts: 35
Loc: Seattle WA
So I've learned a bit, and after starting to learn how to tie knots, I'm wondering if anyone has a suggestion on tying a jig to a leader.

I realize for a jig to be presented properly, it should sit horizontally, and this means the knot shouldn't be sliding around the jig eye, or else it just wants to drop vertically (or straight up and down).

I realize there are a TON of different knots for tying a lure, but I'm looking for one that will hold the jig tight, and obviously still be strong.

I only ask because none of my reading, and I've done a bit, seems to mention a knot for this purpose.

I've been practicing the 'rivers inlet knot' in Herzogs book to tie my swivels/clips, and I'm assuming it should still work fine for braided line, right?
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#656972 - 01/23/11 09:24 PM Re: Knot for tying leader to jig to keep horizontal? [Re: mikelz85]
spokey9 Offline
Juvenile at Sea

Registered: 05/30/02
Posts: 204
Loc: Ravenden, AR
try a palomar knot for your jigs. if you cinch it right, then it wont slide around on your jig eye.

last year when i was using braid, the rivers inlet knot was the main knot i used for tying braid to a swivel. depending on what brand braid you use it will still slip though. i use power pro whenever i do use it and had no problems.

nothing else do a search for knots and find some that'll suit your needs.
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#657026 - 01/24/11 12:44 AM Re: Knot for tying leader to jig to keep horizontal? [Re: ]
Free_Globbin Offline
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Registered: 11/01/10
Posts: 254
Loc: Grays Harbor
I use the Palomar with all of my braid terminal connections and have never had a failure. For jig use, I also like to use an Improved Clinch, but I like to double up the line and then tie the knot as Abu Loomis does for braid. I have found this extra loop causes the knot to stay tighter on the eye of the jig. Allowing it to stay in the "cocked" position longer.


Edited by Free_Globbin (01/24/11 05:33 PM)

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#657028 - 01/24/11 12:54 AM Re: Knot for tying leader to jig to keep horizontal? [Re: Free_Globbin]
Man of logic Offline
Spawner

Registered: 12/20/10
Posts: 950
Loc: the moon
you don't have to worry about that dude. Just google improved clinch knot. Your getting way to complicated way to fast. If you don't know how to properly present a jig yet, and know where the fish are, all that fine tuning detailing sh!t is just a waste of time. Go fishing and quit asking for trivial advise. Despite how prepared you are, experience is the only thing in between you and the fish. Quit asking so many questions and go fishing!!!!!!! You'll still catch fish witha cocked jig. The jig position on the line doesn't matter to me and my friends and we still put tons of fish on the bank.


knots to learn:

everything else is fluff- improved clinch knot, baitholder knot, and ocasionaly surgeons knot (line to line)


Edited by Jgrizzle (01/24/11 01:27 AM)
Edit Reason: added some knots
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#657029 - 01/24/11 12:59 AM Re: Knot for tying leader to jig to keep horizontal? [Re: Man of logic]
DrifterWA Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 04/25/00
Posts: 5014
Loc: East of Aberdeen, West of Mont...
Originally Posted By: Jgrizzle
you don't have to worry about that dude. Just google reinforced cinch knot. Your getting way to complicated way to fast. If you don't know how to properly present a jig yet, and know where the fish are, all that fine tuning detailing sh!t is just a waste of time. Go fishing and quit asking for trivial advise. Despite how prepared you are, experience is the only thing in between you and the fish. Quit asking so many questions and go fishing!!!!!!! You'll still catch fish witha cocked jig. The jig position on the line doesn't matter to me and my friends and we still put tons of fish on the bank.


+1

But follow this, and then save:

http://www.animatedknots.com/indexfishing.php?LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg
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#657034 - 01/24/11 01:34 AM Re: Knot for tying leader to jig to keep horizontal? [Re: DrifterWA]
Chum Man Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 11/07/99
Posts: 2689
Loc: Yelmish
i tie a uni knot, then pull it back a little bit to make a loop. that way, the jig rights itself, at least until you snag up or hook a fish.

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#657075 - 01/24/11 10:29 AM Re: Knot for tying leader to jig to keep horizontal? [Re: Chum Man]
Saundu Offline
Spawner

Registered: 03/25/08
Posts: 583
hey asking questions is what this site is all about....if it helps ur confidence then so be it....quit bein a trivial jackazz on this site.. jizzle

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#657084 - 01/24/11 10:57 AM Re: Knot for tying leader to jig to keep horizontal? [Re: Saundu]
Man of logic Offline
Spawner

Registered: 12/20/10
Posts: 950
Loc: the moon
just trying to give him a nudge in the right direction grin. Just gett'n out there is gonna do alot for him.



being a trivial jackass is what this site is all about.


Edited by Jgrizzle (01/24/11 11:41 AM)
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#657091 - 01/24/11 11:27 AM Re: Knot for tying leader to jig to keep horizontal? [Re: Man of logic]
Daniel Offline
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Registered: 08/13/10
Posts: 77
Take a little time and learn the fish-n-fool knot, it is stronger than any of the knots listed above and is very easy to tie, and also works very well for keeping jigs horizontal.
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#657189 - 01/24/11 05:35 PM Re: Knot for tying leader to jig to keep horizontal? [Re: Daniel]
Free_Globbin Offline
Returning Adult

Registered: 11/01/10
Posts: 254
Loc: Grays Harbor
If I am not mistaken, the fish-n-fool knot looks like a uni-knot with an extra loop at the terminal end.

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#657191 - 01/24/11 05:50 PM Re: Knot for tying leader to jig to keep horizontal? [Re: Man of logic]
big moby Offline
Carcass

Registered: 08/28/08
Posts: 2150
Loc: varies
Originally Posted By: Jgrizzle
you don't have to worry about that dude. Just google improved clinch knot. Your getting way to complicated way to fast. If you don't know how to properly present a jig yet, and know where the fish are, all that fine tuning detailing sh!t is just a waste of time. Go fishing and quit asking for trivial advise. Despite how prepared you are, experience is the only thing in between you and the fish. Quit asking so many questions and go fishing!!!!!!! You'll still catch fish witha cocked jig. The jig position on the line doesn't matter to me and my friends and we still put tons of fish on the bank.


knots to learn:

everything else is fluff- improved clinch knot, baitholder knot, and ocasionaly surgeons knot (line to line)


Jgrizzle,

You are a fu.king douche bag! You post nothing but arrogant bull$hit. By the way mouth breather, it does matter how your jig is presented. People that have been fishing jigs for multiple years take the time to make sure the knot will hold the jig correctly.


Abu,

I think the knot that you are refering to is called a trilene knot, could be mistaken though. It is basically a clinch knot with the tag going back through before you wrap it. good, tight knot for jigs.
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#657210 - 01/24/11 07:00 PM Re: Knot for tying leader to jig to keep horizontal? [Re: big moby]
mikelz85 Offline
Fry

Registered: 01/10/11
Posts: 35
Loc: Seattle WA
I guess this is what I do when I can't get out there, last weekend was a wash for me, but I think there's a general trend of the questions getting less trivial as well....

I guess what I was looking for was a suggestion for a knot that would KEEP the jig properly presented, which folks have given. The two turn cinch knot (descriptions say it's stronger than the 'improved cinch') looks attractive as well, I'll give a few different ones a try. Animated knots has been really helpful, and has helped with memorizing them.

I dunno, I guess I'd rather deal with BS, being a pest, asking questions, and looking stupid here online rather than on the water. That's my philosophy in a nutshell.

Looking forward to the weekend, and feeling confident. Hopeful that the weather plays nice.
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#657229 - 01/24/11 08:43 PM Re: Knot for tying leader to jig to keep horizontal? [Re: mikelz85]
Audball Offline
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Registered: 06/08/05
Posts: 295
Loc: Renton, WA
IMO, there's no such thing as a dumb question - and often times the "little things" that can make a big difference. Also tend to agree with the "douche bag" label for those that tell people not to ask questions.
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#657245 - 01/24/11 10:04 PM Re: Knot for tying leader to jig to keep horizontal? [Re: Audball]
mikelz85 Offline
Fry

Registered: 01/10/11
Posts: 35
Loc: Seattle WA
so I'm going to try the knots, and see what works. Until I can do them in my sleep, I'm using clips at the top end of my leaders so I can exchange easily. I'm float fishing, so I don't 'plan' on having to change leaders unless I want to change presentations.

thanks for all the support.
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#657254 - 01/24/11 10:53 PM Re: Knot for tying leader to jig to keep horizontal? [Re: ]
mikelz85 Offline
Fry

Registered: 01/10/11
Posts: 35
Loc: Seattle WA
I'm confused, some say the jig should be allowed freely in a loop style knot, some say it should be kept horizontal in a tight knot.

I understand the loop style (like a rapala) for trolling, but holding water is typically slow moving, no (I understand bigger fish can be in faster water)?

I guess I'll experiment with some different styled leaders.
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#657286 - 01/25/11 12:27 AM Re: Knot for tying leader to jig to keep horizontal? [Re: mikelz85]
huntncoug Offline
Three Time Spawner

Registered: 05/22/07
Posts: 1616
Loc: Echo Lake
its nice you guys are trying to optimize your fish catching skills but honestly your time and energy could be better spent paying more attention to the water your fishing, your jig color, scent, and your overall presentation. Worrying about how the knot you tie affects the horizontal presentation of your jig might be an issue but it should be low on your list.
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#657323 - 01/25/11 03:48 AM Re: Knot for tying leader to jig to keep horizontal? [Re: huntncoug]
Man of logic Offline
Spawner

Registered: 12/20/10
Posts: 950
Loc: the moon
Sorry if I sounded like a dick. I'm getting too caught up in the douche-isms on this site. I won't be affraid to lend a hand to anybody out there on the river bed looking for advice, and alot of guys are the same way. Don't be affraid to make a fool of yourself. I've learned alot more from good guys out on the river than I have with online resources/books. A guide is also a great way to answer a ton of your questions. On this forum you can't see who's hooking fish and whos not..... When you're out there, you get to pick who you get advice from- and make sure it's the guy hook'n fish. You got your new rod and a couple bobbers and jigs- thats all you need. Once you get those three things to work, it's time to worry about the details to increase your numbers. Build a foundation. Alot of rivers will be in shape this week.....
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#657327 - 01/25/11 04:28 AM Re: Knot for tying leader to jig to keep horizontal? [Re: Man of logic]
Free_Globbin Offline
Returning Adult

Registered: 11/01/10
Posts: 254
Loc: Grays Harbor
Ask this many fisherman a question and there is bound to be some discrepancy. People tend to fish in the manner they have been successful with. Some catch their fish one way and others another way. The more time you spend on the water, the more confidence you will build in certain techniques and the subtle quirks that make you more confident in these presentations.

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#657465 - 01/25/11 06:08 PM Re: Knot for tying leader to jig to keep horizontal? [Re: Free_Globbin]
mikelz85 Offline
Fry

Registered: 01/10/11
Posts: 35
Loc: Seattle WA
Knots I'm using now are the two turn cinch/aka triline, and the rivers inlet, which seems like a variation on the triline. without sounding stupid, is seems like a palomar crossed with a triline. Can't wait to hit the river, just need to plan on where to go.

That said, and I'm not asking for spots, just trying to figure out general locations from which to find my own spots, I'm wondering places to be considering this weekend.

Reiter ponds was mentioned, and is in my area. The OP isn't off limits, but if there's good fishing closer to home (seattle), I might as well stay closer. Very excited to hit it up this weekend! Dawn to dusk.
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