Well as a lot air is being used around the joint,thought I would zip a little just interesting in. Look Mom no gas! http://www.mdi.lu/english/produits.php

Little more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVIwropRMME

The green-ness of the car will be more than offset by the dirty-ness of the method of compressing the air.

The Obama Butt-Bubble......runs on nothin but hot air.
Doesn't get very far, but there aren't many hills to climb, either.

I've had this discussion with people before about compressed air cars and hydrogen fueled cars.
The compressed air is a way of storing energy. That energy has to be produced by another source. Air compressors don't run on sweet dreams and kisses. Same with hydrogen fuel. It takes energy to produce. Electric cars? The batteries need to be charged with electricity that comes from somewhere.

Good thought, Cupo, but I think the over-riding issue is pollution, not efficiency.

" Good thought, Cupo, but I think the over-riding issue is pollution, not efficiency. "

They are connected as you reduce pollution with efficiency in the use. Projections for electicity demands are huge going forward with a LOT of new power plants required.

Waste incinerators produce electricity and reduce the need for land-
fills and their attendant aquifer contamination. Scrubber technology
is such that there is no airborne effluent emitted. And yet the
NIMBYS do their damndest to prevent such technology from being
taken advantage of.
Too bad that normal progress is so dependent on the foibles of some
ignorant bits of society.

I agree.
I also think that if the damn government would quit trying to skim the cream off the top of everything, we would be much further along.

Sorry to burst your bubble Illy, but pollution free energy from waste incinerators is just as much an illusion as the thought by some that wind and solar will solve our energy problems. Skagit County bought a state of the art incinerator in the late 1980s to reduce landfill waste and recover energy. Scrubbers be damned, but it ended up being shut down because it couldn't meet state air quality standards. A $17,000,000 experiment that didn't work.

Sadly, because Americans, IMO, avoid math and science, act as though adding 2+2=5. On one hand we have conservatives who believe we can have it both ways, that there is no shortage of energy resources and that the attendant pollution risks are manageable and acceptable (so long as they don't have to live downwind or drink the water), and on the other are green liberals who must believe in spontaneous energy generation, neither of whom can perform basic math or chemistry.

Can not believe I am typing this but SG right on. Any organic fueled plant has carbon emissions. Now the new scrubbers work better but the cost $$$$$$$$ and it ain't clean as coal and gas are carbon based, then the fracking thing. Nope no nukes either ( kinda agree with that one ) Hydo no carbon but a list of enviro's on the other side.

No silver bullet as you said. I wonder if it is to late to switch to an ostrich as natural bird? With it's head in the sand the body part most obvious would resemble the two political parties.

If the scrubbers didn't do their job perhaps the operators didn't
know wtf they were doing.
Efficient scrubbers do require talented attention. I worked on
scrubber technology at KACC and scubbers can be run so that
their is no effluent. Ringleman's be damned. However, if you
neglect the system it willl screw up. Like anything else. You
run it properly or forget it. Trouble is way too many of our
technical monitors forgot to read the directions. You know
what I am talking about. Engineering hubris.
I don't need to read the instructions I am an Engineer.

btw, late edit.
Of course you do not get pollutant free combustion unless you are
burning straight H2. However, the pollutant with scrubbers is
contained and eminently disposable as ash and not acres of
diaper land fill.

Rivrguy,

I think you've got something there with the ostrich as the national bird. So fitting.

Skorz, I mean Illy,

I think it had to do with not being able to keep batteries and similar heavy metal products out of the trash. Scrubbers couldn't meet the standards. It wasn't the engineers. It was the public and their collective inability or unwillingness to sort and segregate their trash. So off to the Goldendale landfill it all goes. Helps keep the railroad in business I guess.

Sg

gotta agree with the inability of the public to keep their battery
disposal out of the common garbage. Kinda stupid I think.
Got a 2 gal bucket that catches all batteries and cfl light bulbs.
Needs emptying about once a year on a trip to the disposal site
with a load of clean green.

Interesting that the Feds and Locals too are constantly running audits
at Wheelabrator (the incinerator outfit) to see that they are doing
their job, they are, in spite of the nimbys inane bitching.

I am not familiar with the specs of a class D landfill. Using the NH3
that comes from landfills or digesters makes good sense. I wonder
what the bean counters would find comparing the two processes,
Land fill methane combustion and generation vs trash incineration
and heat steam generation, in any case the selling of the electrical
energy to the grid.