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#748880 - 03/20/12 09:31 AM Re: Alleged Afghan shooter is from JBLM [Re: eddie]
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Registered: 11/10/09
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Loc: Vancouver, WA
Originally Posted By: eddie
However, there has to be a reason why the other combat soldiers in theater have not resorted to this.

Could it be that no two humans are exactly alike and react to stress in different ways ?

I think you fell off the pin.


What more can be said ?
It's a shiddy deal.......
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#748889 - 03/20/12 10:32 AM Re: Alleged Afghan shooter is from JBLM [Re: Direct-Drive]
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Registered: 12/20/09
Posts: 1446
Loc: Spokane, wa
Just try to walk in another man's shoes. There is no limit to the depths
or the heights that man can fathom.
Even so his alleged acts are unacceptable. Who will share his guilt?
I know eddie, not you.

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#748892 - 03/20/12 10:40 AM Re: Alleged Afghan shooter is from JBLM [Re: Illyrian]
Todd Offline
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I'm not sure if you guys are purposely and willingly misinterpreting what eddie says, or just not getting it...and I hate to say it, but it looks a lot more like purposely and willingly misinterpreting it to me.

Fish on...

Todd

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#748902 - 03/20/12 11:00 AM Re: Alleged Afghan shooter is from JBLM [Re: Todd]
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Originally Posted By: Todd
I'm not sure if you guys are purposely and willingly misinterpreting what eddie says, or just not getting it...and I hate to say it, but it looks a lot more like purposely and willingly misinterpreting it to me.

Fish on...

Todd

I know what he's saying and I disagree.

Mostly bad is going to come out of this. That's a given.
But maybe some good.
Maybe we need to be more careful when we're thinking about sending our troops off to war.
Because when we do, we are agreeing to risking tragedies like this.

We opened up two simultaneous, long duration wars.
Sent warriors on multiple tours.
The law of averages caught up.
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#748914 - 03/20/12 12:00 PM Re: Alleged Afghan shooter is from JBLM [Re: ]
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There's a ton of blame to go around, and it starts with being there in the first place, a whole bunch of fault in between there and here, and then with the guy who pulled the trigger a couple hundred times.

None of them gets a free pass, including him, to my mind...the bummer is that he, as always, will be the scapegoat for the rest while getting his just deserves.

Fish on...

Todd

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#748986 - 03/20/12 06:10 PM Re: Alleged Afghan shooter is from JBLM [Re: Todd]
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It's looking like Todd will get his "bad soldier" wish. Seems this SSgt was bilking oldsters out of a ton of cash and in legal troubles up to his neck when he enlisted to run away from his obligations. Ugh.
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#748988 - 03/20/12 06:23 PM Re: Alleged Afghan shooter is from JBLM [Re: Slab Happy]
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Originally Posted By: Slab Happy
It's looking like Todd will get his "bad soldier" wish. Seems this SSgt was bilking oldsters out of a ton of cash and in legal troubles up to his neck when he enlisted to run away from his obligations. Ugh.

Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse.
I'll wait for the facts.
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#748989 - 03/20/12 06:24 PM Re: Alleged Afghan shooter is from JBLM [Re: Direct-Drive]
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I have no such wish...in fact, the only wish I have is that this, and whatever contributed to causing, had never happened.

Fish on...

Todd

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#748991 - 03/20/12 06:25 PM Re: Alleged Afghan shooter is from JBLM [Re: Todd]
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P.S. The "bad soldier" thing is kind of a given when you take your weapon and purposely shoot fourteen or fifteen civilians, mostly women and children.

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#748993 - 03/20/12 06:35 PM Re: Alleged Afghan shooter is from JBLM [Re: Todd]
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I agree that no good will come out of this, but I'll be damned if I draw distinctions between mass murderers. Everyone has an excuse, let one in you have to let them all in. Is that what you guys want?

Aunty, I remember that you and a couple others were with me in questioning whether going into Afghanistan and Iraq was in the best interest of the US. Notwithstanding the collateral damage that this soldier represents, it was still a terrible decision (especially Iraq).
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#749003 - 03/20/12 07:27 PM Re: Alleged Afghan shooter is from JBLM [Re: Todd]
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Shades of the old 7th Cavalry. But he didn't have the Son of Morning
Star for an ossifer.

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#749006 - 03/20/12 07:29 PM Re: Alleged Afghan shooter is from JBLM [Re: Illyrian]
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Not pulling the trigger on himself shows he was a true coward.
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#749051 - 03/20/12 09:38 PM Re: Alleged Afghan shooter is from JBLM [Re: Sol Duc]
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Gary Ridgeway killed 69 people and is still alive .... and living well off your taxes

This guy who I believe is now bat fk'n crazy killed 19 and you want to cut off his head.

Sorry ... I dont correlate the two.

Is he a killer ... yes. Is he a mass serial murderer ... no. He went nuts and lost it. My guess is he has no clue what he really did, but one day will snap too and say "OMG" ... yet its too late.

I just wont undermine the fact that "we" sent him through 4 tours of duty. "we" fk'd him up. Yes he should serve time for what he did.

What that is ... I have no idea. Its a case of unfortunate as he was a true hero to this country for 75% of his service, the last 25% took him down, to a level no human should ever be taken.
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#749054 - 03/20/12 09:50 PM Re: Alleged Afghan shooter is from JBLM [Re: Chuck S.]
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How many Muslims were killed or injured by attacks from other Muslim's in the last 24-48 hours? Many more than what this US soldier killed. So where's the outrage and marching in the streets for justice?

I guess a Muslim's life only matters when they've been killed by a foreigner and you can use it for propaganda and its worthless when its taken by a fellow Muslim.
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#749064 - 03/21/12 12:04 AM Re: Alleged Afghan shooter is from JBLM [Re: Sky-Guy]
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This guy is a murderer - a real POS. Killing babies & burning them. PTSD my [Bleeeeep!] - psychopath is more like it. Know many people who have done more tours than him & still even mind their manners in polite company. Can't remember is BS - drunk is BS - PTSD is BS! There might be more to this story but probably not.

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#749077 - 03/21/12 07:42 AM Re: Alleged Afghan shooter is from JBLM [Re: blue water pro]
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What he did was wrong and I don't believe you can use PTSD as an excuse but I also have to agree with Sky-guy. While I was in Afghanistan we had a greater number of civilians (locals) killed/injured by the Taliban (insurgents) than the number of Taliban (insurgents) we killed/injured/captured. Now that was only in the 4 COPs I worked out of so a pretty small area (which actually happends to be about 5KM from were this took place) but I would think it would hold mostly true for most of the country.
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#749078 - 03/21/12 07:53 AM Re: Alleged Afghan shooter is from JBLM [Re: Sky-Guy]
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Originally Posted By: Sky-Guy
How many Muslims were killed or injured by attacks from other Muslim's in the last 24-48 hours? Many more than what this US soldier killed. So where's the outrage and marching in the streets for justice?

I guess a Muslim's life only matters when they've been killed by a foreigner and you can use it for propaganda and its worthless when its taken by a fellow Muslim.


+1
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#749165 - 03/21/12 04:04 PM Re: Alleged Afghan shooter is from JBLM [Re: Chuck S.]
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Got this email today:


Think about this…

"After reading the headlines today about the US soldier who shot up Afghanistan Civilians, I couldn't help noticing an irony.

There is all this clamor to try this guy quickly and execute him, never mind his having suffered a Traumatic Brain Injury. Yet this Major Hasan, who shot up Fort Hood while screaming Allahu Akbar, still hasn't stood trial and they are still debating whether he was insane, even with the clear evidence regarding his motive: slay as many Infidels as possible.

So we have a guy in a War Zone who cracks and he must be executed immediately?! But this Muslim Psychiatrist who was Stateside in a nice safe office all day murders 13, wounds 29 of our own guys and they try to argue the poor lad suffered Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder from listening to real Soldiers who had actual battle experience. Two and a half years later they still haven't tried the murderous Bastard!!"
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#749175 - 03/21/12 04:51 PM Re: Alleged Afghan shooter is from JBLM [Re: Sky-Guy]
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Originally Posted By: Sky-Guy
How many Muslims were killed or injured by attacks from other Muslim's in the last 24-48 hours? Many more than what this US soldier killed. So where's the outrage and marching in the streets for justice?

I guess a Muslim's life only matters when they've been killed by a foreigner and you can use it for propaganda and its worthless when its taken by a fellow Muslim.


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#749180 - 03/21/12 05:04 PM Re: Alleged Afghan shooter is from JBLM [Re: Banned User]
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Originally Posted By: Kanektok Kid
Originally Posted By: Sky-Guy
How many Muslims were killed or injured by attacks from other Muslim's in the last 24-48 hours? Many more than what this US soldier killed. So where's the outrage and marching in the streets for justice?

I guess a Muslim's life only matters when they've been killed by a foreigner and you can use it for propaganda and its worthless when its taken by a fellow Muslim.


The Mods like to troll their Herring dyed red...........


Blue and bold yellow are way more effective grin
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