Anyone who thinks it's not virtually all tongue in cheek probably really does wear an ascot, and needs to stay away from the InterWebz, or might be in danger of an aneurysm or, at the very least, an ulcer the size of Rhode Island.

Fish on...

Todd

P.S. Salmo g., where does that single hander with the pencil lead, four foot leader, and yarn tied into the knot of a 1/0 Octopus hook fall on that scale?

Bantam's Nightmaretruder

Salmo - I got myself into refinishing my kitchen cabinets now. Hours and hours of sanding, staining, and finishing. I don't need or want another wood working project at the moment.

KK - the only person that I enjoy sitting around the camp fire with and telling them how to fly fish is Maris. He makes a great face when contemplating either suicide or just killing me outright.

Oh sh!t! Vedder showed up. I should have ranked his bobber and jig mo' betta'.

Todd,

There ya' go, asking the tough question. Would you believe I over looked that particular specific gear type? I mean, I could have. But why would I? BTW, RI sized ulcers is taking this stuff waaaay too seriously.

Coley,

That Nightmare-truder looks like some serious bait. Of course I'm not a fish, so what would I know? But it looks like it uses all of the Intruder concept. Yep, that dog will hunt. Er, that fly will fish. Probably work better than its namesake jig.

I've never actually tied any Intruders. Don't have all the materials. I've got a couple ostrich feathers but no rhea, and that stuff's expensive. Cheap guy that I am, after learning a long time ago that a marabou feather tied to a hook is about as good a fish getter as there is, I have to force myself to tie up some quality bait. Which is likely why I still have pre-ban polar bear and heron after all these years.

Sg

Paker,

Quality post there, Bro. Glad I wasn't sipping any 25 year old Scotch when I read that!

Sg

A couple of years back I found a place out of oregon that was selling rhea feathers for a very good price. I bought a crap ton and still have half of a crap ton. Happy to send you a few feathers if you would like to give some a go.

Lady Amherst is another nice addition, though it adds a bit of contrast+color, I don't think it does much for the action of the fly, thus I have been leaving it out more that putting it in lately. Guinea feathers under the rhea and ostrich.

Siskiyou Aviary perhaps CG ?

I am running low and soon will have to Rhea- Up myself..................

There are some rather expensive feathers out there I'd love to work with, just not willing to pay the tariff to obtain them.

Either way.................. problem with Stam62 is he just can't make a decision..............

That is the place.

Yeah they have cool stuff, bad place to be online after a few shots of single malt while smoking a nice cigar in ones ascot, reviewing the supplies.

Definitely can use some more hackles though, so I'll probably tip over and order some next week.

Looks like a plug.

Funny, but when I fished for Kings up in Alaska one year the water was high and off colored, so we tied 6/0 flys with chartreuse marabou and ton of flash, made them about the size of a K-14 or 15 . Big and they looked like a plug , just worked fine they did...........

The Flashlight, a reverse spider with flashabou or similar instead of a hackle in front and a steelie blue chenille body tapered like a Blue Fox 'bell' has been a good silver pattern in the past also.

Blasphemy and sacrilege!!!

Perhaps.............

At least it wasn't a bead under a bobber, with a split shot.

Thanks Coley, I might take you up on that.

Yeah KK, at least not a bobber and split shot. Which takes us just about full circle again. I think my first line of departure in this thread was the reference to the Prom Dress flashabou pattern, being intended to simulate a plug, which led me to remark, why not just use a plug? The use of 2-handed rods has done a lot to blur the distinction between fly and conventional gear because they can effectively cast larger, bulkier, and heavier flies than most guys were willing to use with single hand rods. So now we have guys throwing what have become known as "half chickens," larger than Intruders at 6 - 8" or more.

BTW, when Paker wrote a page back about delivering a quote with a Thurston Howell accent (I think he was referring to Gilligan's Island? I'm not sure), that was the wrong character. The better reference is ol' H2O, Hale Harrington Orviston from "The River Why." It's a movie now, but came out as a novel in 1983 and is genuinely hilarious. Gus' dad is a level 5 or better ascot-wearing, tweed coat, cigar and Scotch high falutin' fly fishing magazine writer, and lets everyone know it. Gus' mom was a country girl raised on the banks of Orygun's Deschutes River and fishes worms. So Gus grows up in the tradition of eternal family squabbles over fishing methods, but he attains a synergistic fishing prowess greater than his mom and dad combined. If you haven't, read it. You'll bust a gut. It's way funnier than this thread.

Sg

I think of the H2O and Ma juxtaposition quite often when we get into these diatribes. The River Why is one of the best books ever written. The movie, unfortunately, sucked butt. No real surprise.

Why not use a plug? Because then it wouldn't be fly fishing...duh.

I killed a few chickens last week, meat birds, but I saved half of one for the bug rod. Question here, how do most guys store them, what fly box and what type of leader should I be using ?

Went way beyond 5 and into some sort of irreversible meltdown with "The List"... and the following justification of the same... you have earned your permanent spot as acting President of the Ascoteers, Chucky and the Rod Burning Boys can act as your court, and what you do in the privacy of your (hopefully) secret meetings will go by without much notice...

But, over here in the rarefied air of *fin's 'n feathers* I will continue to monitor the activities of the self appointed keepers of the true faith and continue to point out the obvious....when it is obviously obvious.

I may even take a few moments when I have a few moments and come back with a rebuttal to your list, will give you something to look forward to, until then....

Noses up & Tight Ascots...

stam

That face is probably just the gas.... The only person I enjoy sitting around a campfire listening to them tell how to fly fish is PennyPaker.... Of course, if I'm hanging out with him, I'm already drunk and I generally want to kill him just out of principle, it just becomes more apparent when he talks..... about anything & suicide suits me far less than chucks red socks ascot....

I'm still waiting for that naked chick hanging out on a branch over a river dangling a worm for summer runs...

...and, I'm still hearing Thurston Howell III when you speak, sorry.