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#776171 - 08/01/12 09:18 PM Re: Watch your crab pots on westside of Vashon Is [Re: stlhead]
MPM Offline
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Originally Posted By: stlhead

We know a tribal member was caught red handed. From now on if it happens I am going to assume it's the same unpunished tribal member. Maybe if enough of us do the same the tribe will be forced to take action when/if the next one is caught red handed. Being a black eye on the tribe and all. Have at it and prove me wrong.


Yeah, that's exactly the kind of thing I find distasteful (and, frankly, un-American).

I've seen non-tribal members commit crimes. Does that mean I should presume all crimes are committed by non-tribal members?

You might be right. It might be that *one* tribal guy whose robbing pots from Edmonds to Olympia. But I don't know why you would assume that, and it's certainly no basis to think poorly of any particular tribe or tribal member (other than an individual you know did it) in general.


Edited by MPM (08/01/12 09:19 PM)

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#776231 - 08/01/12 10:47 PM Re: Watch your crab pots on westside of Vashon Is [Re: hybridcx]
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Registered: 05/27/08
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Loc: Bellingham/Socialistic Idaho
Originally Posted By: hybridcx
Originally Posted By: Take-Down
How many of you guys who are getting your pots picked are using a zip tie on the door(s)? It's cheap and it makes it perfectly clear whether someone else opened your pot while you were away. More importantly, the doors sometimes accidentally pop open when the pot hits the bottom if they are not closed well--especially the cheap square Danielson pots which catch a lot of crab but don't stay shut great. I'm sure I'll get pilfered someday but I've crabbed for several years now and never pulled up a pot with a broken zip tie.


we zip tie too. have been for a while, we still were suspected getting picked a few years back and did an experiment and you can still clean a pot through the crab doors.

we figured either that was happening or they were just re zip tie them... have not had a problem in the last 2 years though


How do you know that you didn't drop your pots where there weren't any crab?

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#776251 - 08/01/12 11:11 PM Re: Watch your crab pots on westside of Vashon Is [Re: McMahon]
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Registered: 08/01/12
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I can't believe you pig-swines drag me into this......

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#776361 - 08/02/12 12:16 PM Re: Watch your crab pots on westside of Vashon Is [Re: Met'lheadMatt]
LndShrk Offline
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Registered: 06/16/11
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We too have had a few of our pots picked this year. First time in many years.

The giveaway was the location of the re drop. (My pots are weighted they do not move.).

I think I will add a laminated photo to my bouys. eek

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#776390 - 08/02/12 02:58 PM Re: Watch your crab pots on westside of Vashon Is [Re: MPM]
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Originally Posted By: MPM
Originally Posted By: stlhead

We know a tribal member was caught red handed. From now on if it happens I am going to assume it's the same unpunished tribal member. Maybe if enough of us do the same the tribe will be forced to take action when/if the next one is caught red handed. Being a black eye on the tribe and all. Have at it and prove me wrong.


Yeah, that's exactly the kind of thing I find distasteful (and, frankly, un-American).

I've seen non-tribal members commit crimes. Does that mean I should presume all crimes are committed by non-tribal members?

You might be right. It might be that *one* tribal guy whose robbing pots from Edmonds to Olympia. But I don't know why you would assume that, and it's certainly no basis to think poorly of any particular tribe or tribal member (other than an individual you know did it) in general.


Let me explain life to you. First, most people don't care what you find distateful. Second, if a tweaker is seen breaking into houses and another house get's broken into then 9 times out of 10 the home owner is going to say "it was probably that tweaker again". Of course here's where you chime in...."I find it distasteful that you would blame that poor tweaker without proof. Why that's just un-american." Third, you commit crimes and eventually you are even suspected of crimes you didn't commit. The police can explain that one to you. Nobody except you blamed an entire tribe and nobody but you is trying to make mountains out of mole hills. Get a life.
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#776394 - 08/02/12 03:04 PM Re: Watch your crab pots on westside of Vashon Is [Re: Dungy Bin Laden]
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Originally Posted By: Dungy Bin Laden
I can't believe you pig-swines drag me into this......


There he is! He's infiltrated the net!
Don't listen to him! I've heard he's very convincing.
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#776410 - 08/02/12 03:58 PM Re: Watch your crab pots on westside of Vashon Is [Re: stlhead]
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you sir are a racist...

I once had a pot with all red rocks in it... I bet someone took all the dungies and left me with nothing but the reds...

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#776418 - 08/02/12 04:30 PM Re: Watch your crab pots on westside of Vashon Is [Re: stlhead]
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Registered: 03/01/11
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I couldn't agree more! When the tribes commit crimes and they are criticized it’s racism to some and that’s total BS. If a group of people continuously displays a type of behavior they are bound to be stereo typed regardless of race. The tribes have displayed a hatred for white people and an attitude that they should have a first grab at anything and everything. That attitude is what drives them to do whatever they want feeling that it’s their right, including robbing crab pots. I could name enough examples to crash this web site! But I will save everyone the pain. So, although this crime may not have been committed by a tribal member it certainly isn’t a far stretch to consider that a possibility.

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#776435 - 08/02/12 05:42 PM Re: Watch your crab pots on westside of Vashon Is [Re: stlhead]
MPM Offline
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Registered: 12/09/08
Posts: 766
Loc: Seattle, WA
Stlhd,

Thank you for "explaining life" to me. I'll try to apply your advice immediately.

From now on, I'll just assume everyone who posts something stupid on the Internet is a sport fisherman. After all, I know of one sport fisherman who got caught red-handed doing it.

Sincerely,
MPM

P.S. I don't think we need to be jerks to each other, but it *is* the Internet, so I guess that's just how it goes.

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#776439 - 08/02/12 05:45 PM Re: Watch your crab pots on westside of Vashon Is [Re: gooybob]
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Loc: Seattle, WA
Originally Posted By: gooybob
although this crime may not have been committed by a tribal member it certainly isn’t a far stretch to consider that a possibility.


I'll agree with that. Nor is it a stretch to consider the possibility that a non-tribal person did it.

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#776481 - 08/02/12 07:08 PM Re: Watch your crab pots on westside of Vashon Is [Re: Todd]
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Originally Posted By: Todd
We didn't have photos...and I'm not sure where the investigation came to an end, but I'm pretty sure it was at the tribal governance end, not at the Island Co. prosecutor end.

Richard would know as I was off to northern BC for a while when it was being handled and I didn't have much participation with it after the first couple of days.

Fish on...

Todd


I am VERY sure how and who were involved:

1. It was a tribal members and also a habitual violators of Pot Theft.
2. And from Odd's and other members on that boat, your description of said boat, occupants, and other descriptions, the Prosecutor Declined to do anything. And I did verify that campaign donations were received by the prosecutor from Tribes. This is one area that really pisses me off and that is if Tribes and the State "Consider" the Tribal a Soverign Nation, then way are they allowed to sully up our political waters, they are way too dirty in the first place. Kind of like having their Paid Off Political Cake and Eating It Too.
3. Based upon Odd's and other members present and the descriptions given, investigators did what investigators do, investigate. They did find the culprits, searched their premise, presented their findings/recommendation to prosecute, and a noteworthy note, seized a lot of pots that had Non-Tribal markings, i.e., Stolen Pots, and returned said to the owners.
4. The decision to NOT prosecute was based upon the the prosecutor's "Feelings" that the cops could not prove that the three tribal members involved "Actually" stole the pots (Odd's & Others), i.e., just maybe some low life Non-Tribal miscreant stole the pots and smuggled them onto the Tribal Members Property.

Now, Draw Conclusions if yah got'em
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#776517 - 08/02/12 08:13 PM Re: Watch your crab pots on westside of Vashon Is [Re: JohnQ]
Todd Offline
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No one stole our pots...but we know exactly who stole our crabs wink

Fish on...

Todd

P.S. Keep yer shitferbrains "Odd" on the dark side.
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#776532 - 08/02/12 08:52 PM Re: Watch your crab pots on westside of Vashon Is [Re: McMahon]
Salmo_Gairdneri Offline
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Registered: 03/27/05
Posts: 395
Loc: Snohomish
Originally Posted By: McMahon
I would be very curious to know how many people's pots have actually been raided, and how many pots were flat-out skunked.


We pull our pots every couple hrs or so to make sure we have no sea stars and to grab any legals. I leave the sub-legals in the pot until my last pull. We had 2 of our pots picked clean off Hat island 2 weeks ago. Pots we'd sent down with a bunch of sub-legals. Definitive proof of picking.

What I don't get. Why not pull the pot and either steal it outright or just eyeball for keepers and quickly drop it back down.

-S

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#776565 - 08/02/12 10:17 PM Re: Watch your crab pots on westside of Vashon Is [Re: Todd]
JohnQ Offline
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Originally Posted By: Todd
No one stole our pots...but we know exactly who stole our crabs wink

Fish on...

Todd

P.S. Keep yer shitferbrains "Odd" on the dark side.


They found Other Folks Stolen Pots at the miscreants abode, It's "odd" that you identify your brain pan content. shoot rofl and I think I still have "That Sssssssshush PM of yours around here someplace.
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#776566 - 08/02/12 10:19 PM Re: Watch your crab pots on westside of Vashon Is [Re: Salmo_Gairdneri]
MPM Offline
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Registered: 12/09/08
Posts: 766
Loc: Seattle, WA
Originally Posted By: Salmo_Gairdneri


What I don't get. Why not pull the pot and either steal it outright or just eyeball for keepers and quickly drop it back down.

-S


My guess is that pot raiders aren't exactly sticklers for size/limit regulations either.

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#776577 - 08/02/12 10:53 PM Re: Watch your crab pots on westside of Vashon Is [Re: MPM]
Sol Duc Offline
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Registered: 06/18/01
Posts: 16138
Originally Posted By: MPM
Originally Posted By: Salmo_Gairdneri


What I don't get. Why not pull the pot and either steal it outright or just eyeball for keepers and quickly drop it back down.

-S


My guess is that pot raiders aren't exactly sticklers for size/limit regulations either.

Or sexual orientation. lol
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#776580 - 08/02/12 11:23 PM Re: Watch your crab pots on westside of Vashon Is [Re: McMahon]
gvbest Offline
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Registered: 06/30/04
Posts: 1089
Loc: Silverdale, WA
Originally Posted By: McMahon
Originally Posted By: hybridcx
Originally Posted By: Take-Down
How many of you guys who are getting your pots picked are using a zip tie on the door(s)? It's cheap and it makes it perfectly clear whether someone else opened your pot while you were away. More importantly, the doors sometimes accidentally pop open when the pot hits the bottom if they are not closed well--especially the cheap square Danielson pots which catch a lot of crab but don't stay shut great. I'm sure I'll get pilfered someday but I've crabbed for several years now and never pulled up a pot with a broken zip tie.


we zip tie too. have been for a while, we still were suspected getting picked a few years back and did an experiment and you can still clean a pot through the crab doors.

we figured either that was happening or they were just re zip tie them... have not had a problem in the last 2 years though


How do you know that you didn't drop your pots where there weren't any crab?


Well if there are no crabs in the area then what happened to the bait?
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#776581 - 08/02/12 11:34 PM Re: Watch your crab pots on westside of Vashon Is [Re: McMahon]
hybridcx Offline
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Registered: 03/19/07
Posts: 1350
Loc: sequim, Wa
[/quote]

How do you know that you didn't drop your pots where there weren't any crab? [/quote]

Seriously ?

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#776583 - 08/02/12 11:40 PM Re: Watch your crab pots on westside of Vashon Is [Re: hybridcx]
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easy for a door to stick open, especially if they are not weighted
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#776801 - 08/04/12 11:13 AM Re: Watch your crab pots on westside of Vashon Is [Re: ParaLeaks]
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Registered: 08/07/09
Posts: 485
Well it happened to me yesterday for tbe first time. I dropped my pots in the morning in an area where I have averaged over 18 legals per pot for the season. Crabbing has been that good. Took my nephew out so we dropped three pots so he could get 'The Deadliest Catch' experience. It was overkill on the pots but I had plenty of bait (horse clams, squid, herring, salmon and albacore) and he wanted the thrill of using tbe put puller. We dropped tbe three pots and when we were done I didn't like how close the first pot was to the second pot so we pulled the pot to reposition it. It had been soaking for maybe 10 minutes and already had two legals in the pot. We left the crab in the pot and dropped it it a better position so all three pots were in a line and at tbe same depth.

When we approached the pots later that afternoon I got a bad feeling. The pots were not in a straight line and there was two other pots dropped real close to mine, in a area I hardly ever see another pot and when I do there is plenty of distance between the sets. The first pot I pulled was the one that had had the two legals in the morning. I was expecting it to be stuffed. It had 4 keeper dungies and a half dozen red rock. Mind you I have been averaging over 18 legals per pot. The next pot had five legals but what really pissed me off was the clip for the cleanout door was unlatched. I know I latched it and it takes sone effort to undo it. Last pot same story. It too was unlatched and only held three legals. Yes we got our limits, but these pots should have been loaded and two were unlatched. I have my suspicions that it was the guy who dropped on top of my, but only a suspicion. Bottom line we got our crab but it really, really pisses me off that I was robbed for the first time. I guess it could be worst. Tbe could have taken my Mckays.

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