Not you.

92 percent of Americans favor closing the "gun show loophole" for handguns...make it so that you cannot buy a handgun without a background check.

Even 78 percent of NRA members think that this entirely reasonable policy is a good idea.

So, at hearings today when that idea was floated by LaPierre, what was his response?

No.

Wayne LaPierre and the NRA have never...ever...represented the majority of Americans...now he isn't even representing the thoughts of more than 3/4 of his own organization's members.

If he doesn't represent NRA members, then who does he represent?

The same folks that the NRA and LaPierre have always used your money to represent...the gun and ammo industry.

They've never cared about you beyond your membership dues, and while you may have argued about it before so that you wouldn't have to face the obvious buyer's remorse of wasting your money on those fools in the past, it's kind of hard to argue with it now.

Wayne LaPierre and the NRA have one client...the gun and ammo industry. They have one job...to lobby for whatever makes them the most money.

And they use your money to do it, even when 78% of you don't agree with how LaPierre and the NRA are using it.

Just in case there were Americans who didn't realize before how fukked up the NRA is, thanks to LaPierre they know it now.

We're not talking about the straw man of "banning all guns, oh no!"...we're talking about selling handguns without proving that you have the right to carry.

How hard is this?

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Todd

I think you put that on the wrong thread, Hank, since it has exactly "nothing" to do with the topic.

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Todd

as a former NRA member i wonder how they get there money. it cost 35 a year in dues and you get 100 in benefits. so where does the 65 over dues come from? where does the lobby money come from? where does the money to pay Wayne LaPierre come from? maybe gun manufactures pay for it all.

Hank, I'll type slowly for you.

92% of Americans want to close the gun show loophole.

78% of NRA members (the ones who the NRA claims to represent) want to close the gun show loophole.

Guess what percent of the NRA's lobbyists was to close the gun show loophole?

Zero percent.

Larry, their money comes from their real clients, the gun and ammo industry. They use the chumps who pay membership dues to them to claim up all the voters they represent, but they clearly don't care what those people say.

The NRA and LaPierre are the gun and ammo industry's sock puppet.

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Todd

Hey Todd,
Bull Chit,
Nuff said

+1, Hank

Todd, what gun show loop holes? If you buy a handgun from a retailer at any gunshow in WA. you are subjected to an instant background check. Is the loophole you are referring to for when you buy from a private party?

Explain to me the part that's bullschit.

Katmai, yes, that's the "gun show loophole".

78% of NRA members approve of it, 0% of NRA lobbyists approve of it.

Keep sending in your money, chumps.

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Todd

And Hank, since you're clearly unable to stick to the topic, I'll take a stab at yours...

Who opposes funding the ATF for purposes of federal gun law prosecutions?

I'm going to give you a hint:

The GOP and the NRA, every time.

They, nor you, can whine like little bitches that prosecutions are down.

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Todd

And, while you're puzzling over complex issues like "how does 78% equal 0%?" and "why would the GOP and NRA lobby against the ATF?", here's another brain twister for you:

Which lobbyists and which political party have worked together to reduce the CDC's funding to research gun violence BY 96%?

Here's another hint:

The NRA and the GOP.

Hah! I bet that one caught you by surprise.

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Todd

The fact of the matter is that the NRA doesn't care fuckall nothing about Americans, safety, or the 2nd Amendment.

All they care about is their corporate masters' bottom lines, which depend on selling as many guns as possible. It's why their mantra is that "more guns is always the answer, to any question, any time, anywhere, any way."

Fear and stupidity are their favorite things...because they lead to money in their coffers.

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Todd

They don't represent me Todd!

You can't prosecute crimes that aren't investigated, and that's what the ATF does...and the GOP votes and the NRA lobbies every year to reduce the ATF's budget for investigating gun crimes.

With the CDC I'm not talking generally, I'm talking about two groups that have actively lobbied for the removal of, and then the actual removal of funding specifically for gun violence research.

You are sucking hard on this entire thread, Hank.

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Todd

Not a fan of the NRA.



Not a fan of the ATF or other alphabet soup assholes. Guilty of entrapment, murder, civil rights violations, and nobody so much as lost their jobs. Far from a bible thumper, agnostic actually, but all everybody below wanted was just to be left alone. FBI director Louis Freeh disciplined or proposed discipline for twelve FBI employees over their handling of the incident......



















As much as I don't like the NRA, they are the lesser of the two evils.

Koresh was a nutcase...

Ruby Ridge on the other hand, never should have happened, ever, ever ever... ever

the NRA is probably worse for gun owners than they are good...

Don't disagree at all that Koresh was a loon, however, nothing that he did ever justified an all out armed assault on a compound housing women and children. People are allowed to be eccentric in this country. It is an unalianable right.

Yeah, but he and his followers were accused of being in violation of numerous federal firearms laws, and when a search warrant was served to investigate those charges they barricaded, fired on federal agents, and eventually torched themselves.

I do not feel sorry for the adults that perished there...they made their looney bed and had to lie in it.

I do feel very sorry for all of the children of those loonies that got killed thanks to their parents' looniness.

Being eccentric doesn't allow you to be in violation of the law, and being eccentric doesn't mean you can torch yourself and your children when it's time to pay the piper.

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Todd

There is no such thing (in this state) as the "gunshow loophole". That's bullsh.it spewed by dipsh.its that get their talking points from Huffpo and Piers Morgan and then regurgitate it for the umpteenth time on a fishing board.

You are wrong.

In this state you can buy a handgun at a gun show without having ever had a background check, or anywhere else for that matter, if you aren't buying it from a registered dealer.

Nationwide that accounts for about 40% of the gun sales...guns that pass from one individual to another without the buyer ever proving that they are legally entitled to or sane enough to buy or own a handgun.

If we're going to blame gun violence on nuts instead of guns, then you can't prevent us all from finding out if you're a nut or not before you buy a handgun.

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Todd

And you can do that in most states...on the west coast it's notable that Oregon and California have closed that loophole themselves.

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Todd

not totally true Todd...

you have to be a WAC member in order to buy a gun at a gunshow here...

im pretty sure most gangsters and felons arent WAC members...