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#826243 - 03/01/13 04:16 PM Assault Weapons Should Not Be Banned
Illahee Offline
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Assault weapons with high capacity magazines should be legal for civilians to own and operate.
However they must pass a government approved assault weapons proficiency training coarse, which would be modeled after what the military requires it's troops to pass, prior to being issued a weapon.
It would be illegal to posses or operate a assault weapon without this certification.
All costs of certification would be payed by the person seeking the certification.

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#826245 - 03/01/13 04:19 PM Re: Assault Weapons Should Not Be Banned [Re: Illahee]
redhook
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thats probably the stupidest idea i have ever heard...

why on gods earth would you want to give "civilians" military training before buying a AR?

so that when they go bat sh!t crazy they have the knowledge and experience to fully utilize their weapon to the caliber of the military?


Christopher Dorner anyone?

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#826248 - 03/01/13 04:21 PM Re: Assault Weapons Should Not Be Banned [Re: ]
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Wouldn't that be a de-facto registration? Any form of registration is a non-starter and will not pass.
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#826253 - 03/01/13 04:27 PM Re: Assault Weapons Should Not Be Banned [Re: ]
Illahee Offline
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Originally Posted By: redhook
thats probably the stupidest idea i have ever heard...

why on gods earth would you want to give "civilians" military training before buying a AR?

so that when they go bat sh!t crazy they have the knowledge and experience to fully utilize their weapon to the caliber of the military?


Christopher Dorner anyone?



Up already RH?
Why do you suppose the military requires such extensive training before they issue a assault weapon to a troop?
Feel free to ask a grown up.

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#826258 - 03/01/13 04:31 PM Re: Assault Weapons Should Not Be Banned [Re: Illahee]
redhook
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because they dont want dipsh!ts on the front lines that cant operate their weapon during the heat of combat... they also dont want some dingbat shooting 30 rounds at someone and NOT HITTING the target each and every time .... well, maybe for the Army that would be acceptable, but the Marine's its completely unacceptable, they strive on accuracy....

that was a dumb question too Illz, you are smarter than that....

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#826271 - 03/01/13 05:29 PM Re: Assault Weapons Should Not Be Banned [Re: ]
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How do I assign negative stars to a thread? Can this shizz go any lower people...

Here my friday tip: Think, then type. If you cant think, dont type.
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#826272 - 03/01/13 05:37 PM Re: Assault Weapons Should Not Be Banned [Re: Sky-Guy]
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I went fishing today. It's fun. You guys should check it out. Should I explain what fishing is?
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#826273 - 03/01/13 05:39 PM Re: Assault Weapons Should Not Be Banned [Re: Jason Beezuz]
redhook
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i might head out somewhere tommorow... spent almost a hundred bucks on gear, probably would be wise to use it...

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#826294 - 03/01/13 08:56 PM Re: Assault Weapons Should Not Be Banned [Re: ]
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Beezy.....that's the smartest thing I've seen you post! thumbs
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#826352 - 03/01/13 11:22 PM Re: Assault Weapons Should Not Be Banned [Re: ParaLeaks]
Salmo g. Offline
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Hmmmm, training, certification, issuance of weapon, . . . looks almost like Switzerland combined with the early US' "well regulated militia."

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#826418 - 03/02/13 12:07 PM Re: Assault Weapons Should Not Be Banned [Re: Salmo g.]
Illyrian Offline
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Right on Salmo g. Our Government should issue every able bodied male a
current military rifle and provide the training to use it safely and effectively, ala the Swiss.
I wonder if the 2.2% national budget cuts would prevent such an effort.

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#826428 - 03/02/13 01:27 PM Re: Assault Weapons Should Not Be Banned [Re: Illyrian]
Illahee Offline
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Originally Posted By: Illyrian
Right on Salmo g. Our Government should issue every able bodied male a
current military rifle and provide the training to use it safely and effectively, ala the Swiss.
I wonder if the 2.2% national budget cuts would prevent such an effort.



I don't think we need to force anyone into gun ownership, but we can make sure people who feel the need to own an assault weapon are fully qualified to own and operate that weapon.

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#826430 - 03/02/13 01:44 PM Re: Assault Weapons Should Not Be Banned [Re: Illahee]
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#826432 - 03/02/13 01:58 PM Re: Assault Weapons Should Not Be Banned [Re: ]
Illahee Offline
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Originally Posted By: Hankster
Originally Posted By: Illahee

we can make sure people who feel the need to own an assault weapon are fully qualified to own and operate that weapon.

WTF does that mean? You could just as easily say someone needs to be "fully qualified" to own and operate any weapon. Washington State law requires all individuals born after 1 January 1972 to show proof of basic hunter education training before purchasing a hunting license. Would that suffice?


Not every weapon is specifically designed to kill people, so modifying it to do other things doesn't negate it's primary purpose.
So requiring potential owner operators to pass a proficiency training course doesn't seem out of line, and it sure as he11 doesn't violate the second amendment.

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#826433 - 03/02/13 01:58 PM Re: Assault Weapons Should Not Be Banned [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Hankster
Originally Posted By: Illahee

we can make sure people who feel the need to own an assault weapon are fully qualified to own and operate that weapon.

WTF does that mean? You could just as easily say someone needs to be "fully qualified" to own and operate any weapon. Washington State law requires all individuals born after 1 January 1972 to show proof of basic hunter education training before purchasing a hunting license. Would that suffice?


The problem is some genious like Illhee or Joe Biden, who never owned any semi auto weapon in his life, would come up the the "approporate" training requirements..
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#826436 - 03/02/13 02:19 PM Re: Assault Weapons Should Not Be Banned [Re: ]
Illahee Offline
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Originally Posted By: Hankster
Originally Posted By: Illahee


Not every weapon is specifically designed to kill people, so modifying it to do other things doesn't negate it's primary purpose.
So requiring potential owner operators to pass a proficiency training course doesn't seem out of line, and it sure as he11 doesn't violate the second amendment.

A weapon by it's very nature is designed to kill. That's why they call them weapons and it doesn't matter whether it's a pistol or a rifle or a shotgun. You don't like "assault" style weapons don't buy one, but don't try to make stupid laws or requirements for people who do use them for hunting or target shooting or self defense.



Can and specifically designed for, are two entirely different things.

And as for you WRO, no I haven't ever owned a assault weapon, but I was issued one and I'm fully qualified to operate a M16, service 45, and a 9MM handgun.

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#826437 - 03/02/13 02:39 PM Re: Assault Weapons Should Not Be Banned [Re: ]
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How about enforcing all of the existing firearms related laws already on the books before you decide to craft some other fukked up stupid law that will solve nothing, save nobody, and do nothing more than possibly make a criminal out of law abiding citizens with the stroke of a pen.

Felons attempt to get guns through legitimate means at a gunshop, and are declined when the NCIC check is done. Prosecutions for this violation of FEDERAL LAW are minimal, if non-existant. They say it would be too costly to go after every violation.

So, rather than going after a felon committing another felony, so he can likely go commit another felony, you would rather try and control law abiding citizens.

People like you are what is wrong with this country. Always trying to control somebody else who is obeying the laws while ignoring the real problems caused by real criminals.

Go step in front of a bus.
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#826439 - 03/02/13 03:28 PM Re: Assault Weapons Should Not Be Banned [Re: Dogfish]
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Registered: 07/21/08
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Originally Posted By: Dogfish
How about enforcing all of the existing firearms related laws already on the books before you decide to craft some other fukked up stupid law that will solve nothing, save nobody, and do nothing more than possibly make a criminal out of law abiding citizens with the stroke of a pen.

Felons attempt to get guns through legitimate means at a gunshop, and are declined when the NCIC check is done. Prosecutions for this violation of FEDERAL LAW are minimal, if non-existant. They say it would be too costly to go after every violation.

So, rather than going after a felon committing another felony, so he can likely go commit another felony, you would rather try and control law abiding citizens.


People like you are what is wrong with this country. Always trying to control somebody else who is obeying the laws while ignoring the real problems caused by real criminals.

Go step in front of a bus.

+1,000,000 Couldnt have said it any better myself.
Lets go make more "stupid ass gun laws" even though we dont enforce the ones we already have. Only a politician or someone equally as retarded actually thinks that making more gun laws will somehow work. Also, lets make these laws so they affect only the legal/legitamate 97% of gun owners who are NOT the real problem...
Criminals dont care about laws, thats why there criminals... They will get there guns in any means possible whether on the street or stealing them. Chicago's Mayors answer to there gun violence issue is to "ban handguns" like thats going to make a gangbanger or criminal magically all of a sudden turn them in...

There answer is to mess with the law abiding citizens cause clearly where the real "problem". ANY new law is only going to affect us.
Lets do another AWB even though the first one didnt work and more people are killed with bare hands than "Assault Rifles", AKA: Semi auto rifles.
Lets limit magazines to 10 so if a shootout/massacre occurs the "victims" have an extra 2 seconds to live. However, lets make it so if you get attacked by multiple people, you may run out of bullets forcing you to reload. 2 seconds spent reloading in a gun fight is an eternity and can make the difference between living and dieing.
Typical libtardism. Lets make more laws even though the ones we already have are not enforced. Boy those criminals are going to listen now that theres a limit of 10 rounds per magazine or a AWB/Handgun ban. They are already breaking the law by carrying, felon with a gun, stolen gun, etc. However, maybe if we ban this gun or limit the number of rounds they can carry, maybe all of a sudden they will follow the law and comply. JFC, really?!?


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#826440 - 03/02/13 03:28 PM Re: Assault Weapons Should Not Be Banned [Re: ]
Rossiman Offline
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Registered: 07/21/08
Posts: 824
Loc: Monroe, WA
Originally Posted By: Hankster
Originally Posted By: Dogfish


People like you are what is wrong with this country. Always trying to control somebody else who is obeying the laws while ignoring the real problems caused by real criminals.

Go step in front of a bus.

He should first take and successfully complete a government approved stepping in front of a bus proficiency training course.


rofl
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#826443 - 03/02/13 03:40 PM Re: Assault Weapons Should Not Be Banned [Re: ]
Rossiman Offline
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Originally Posted By: Banned User
Exactly how many gunfights have you been in rossigirl, just out of curiosity ?
Actual gunfights, Zero.
Force on Force Training/Firearms classes, Dozens.
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