#875576 - 12/16/13 11:29 PM
Re: My take on river rules
[Re: Brewer]
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Spawner
Registered: 03/21/06
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I personally don' walk on the water the hankies are fishing and go by quietly,
If I want to fish a slot a boat is fishing, I will start upriver
If I want to fish a spot a plugger is working, I start upriver
If a boat is anchored, I try to go behind, or go in front close not to disturb his or hers water, and no fishing until down river to the next slot
The problem is everyone is in a hurry, and wants first water. I like to be the closer. Breakfast, let the sky lighten up, the brightness and the boat races push the fish into the area's I target. So to this I say thank you. On your mark, get set, GO. I will see you after Breakfast
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#875598 - 12/17/13 03:04 AM
Re: My take on river rules
[Re: ColeyG]
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Smolt
Registered: 11/09/10
Posts: 89
Loc: LAKE FOREST PARK, WA
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I have always had luck with Coley's rule #1... Start a conversation and or politely ask if it is okay to hop in and fish. Confrontation just isn't my thing anymore and as much as I enjoy fishing and catching fish, getting in a fight just isn't worth it! Not trying to go to jail over a frickin fishing hole...
When I am in a DB if I am within ear shot of a bankie, I will ask which way they would like me to pass and if there is something out of their reach that I want to fish, I will ask.
I find a simple courteous conversation/question will usually prevent any conflict...
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#875606 - 12/17/13 06:13 AM
Re: My take on river rules
[Re: Seemefishin]
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WINNER
Registered: 01/11/03
Posts: 10513
Loc: Olypen
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I have always had luck with Coley's rule #1... Start a conversation and or politely ask if it is okay to hop in and fish. Confrontation just isn't my thing anymore and as much as I enjoy fishing and catching fish, getting in a fight just isn't worth it! Not trying to go to jail over a frickin fishing hole...
When I am in a DB if I am within ear shot of a bankie, I will ask which way they would like me to pass and if there is something out of their reach that I want to fish, I will ask.
I find a simple courteous conversation/question will usually prevent any conflict... Gr8 practice and is much appreciated by myself.
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#875608 - 12/17/13 07:13 AM
Re: My take on river rules
[Re: ColeyG]
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Fry
Registered: 10/30/02
Posts: 37
Loc: Kirkland
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I think that Coley G summed things up pretty well. When my second wife and I got married we had completely different ideas about how to raise kids. To fix what could have been a huge problem we just agreed to disagree and moved on from there. Fisherman on the river are not much different.
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#875640 - 12/17/13 01:56 PM
Re: My take on river rules
[Re: redlodge]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 13526
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Another entertaining, yet cognizant, post from Coley. Since he's not a cop, he should consider becoming a writer. I have but one question from his rules of the river, which has nothing to do with rules. Where the hell can someone find a $35 first fly fishing kit?
I observe rule #1 routinely. I might go looking for solitude on the river, but if I see another angler, obviously solitude ain't happening. So I ask him where he's fishing and if he's working downstream through the hole. It cracks me up when he says, "Hhhrrrrmmmphhhh, mumble, mumble, hhrrrmmmmpphhh." Ah, another non-English speaker, I see.
After I had been seriously fishing for a few seasons, I wondered why there is so much asshatt behavior on salmon and steelhead rivers. Once I came to understand that the average fisherman is a social misfit and an asshole, it all began to make some sense. Having reset my expectations accurately, I enjoy many a memorable day, made so by the above average people I keep running into.
Sg
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#875645 - 12/17/13 02:10 PM
Re: My take on river rules
[Re: swingfisher]
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Professional Tveecher
Registered: 04/21/03
Posts: 1705
Loc: Oahu, HI /Olympia, WA
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Sky, Cowlitz. Lower wynoochee. Theres no rules. just fish. its a zoo. you go there knowing that. When you surf Waikiki you deal with the idiots. Its just how it is. your not changing it. my advice is to not fish the zoo's. go find your home streams that aren't busy and stop whining about the ones that are and always will be. you'll notice where a lot of GUIDES are...and fish.....the 'joe blow' count is astronomical. You take a few thousand people down a river a in a few years and they catch fish....along with another 30-50 guides and catch fish....guess what...tons of people. just math. just get off the river and go find a less busy river.
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#875646 - 12/17/13 02:10 PM
Re: My take on river rules
[Re: Salmo g.]
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 10/20/10
Posts: 1279
Loc: Seattle
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The penalty for non compliance has to outweigh the reward for non conformance. There is simply nothing you can do to the non conformers who do it by choice but walk on.
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#875647 - 12/17/13 02:11 PM
Re: My take on river rules
[Re: Salmo g.]
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Professional Tveecher
Registered: 04/21/03
Posts: 1705
Loc: Oahu, HI /Olympia, WA
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Another entertaining, yet cognizant, post from Coley. Since he's not a cop, he should consider becoming a writer. I have but one question from his rules of the river, which has nothing to do with rules. Where the hell can someone find a $35 first fly fishing kit?
I observe rule #1 routinely. I might go looking for solitude on the river, but if I see another angler, obviously solitude ain't happening. So I ask him where he's fishing and if he's working downstream through the hole. It cracks me up when he says, "Hhhrrrrmmmphhhh, mumble, mumble, hhrrrmmmmpphhh." Ah, another non-English speaker, I see.
After I had been seriously fishing for a few seasons, I wondered why there is so much asshatt behavior on salmon and steelhead rivers. Once I came to understand that the average fisherman is a social misfit and an asshole, it all began to make some sense. Having reset my expectations accurately, I enjoy many a memorable day, made so by the above average people I keep running into.
Sg right on the head.
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#875652 - 12/17/13 02:37 PM
Re: My take on river rules
[Re: Mergantroider]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 05/27/00
Posts: 2558
Loc: Stumpy Acres
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Matt's spot on.....
My method is launch late on rivers that are mainly DB.....
That way all the crowd has raced eachother to the takeout and I have it all to myself........
As fast as some of these new DB racers go, they miss most of the good water.....
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#875654 - 12/17/13 02:48 PM
Re: My take on river rules
[Re: Timber]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 07/11/04
Posts: 3113
Loc: Bothell, Wa
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Matt's spot on.....
My method is launch late on rivers that are mainly DB.....
That way all the crowd has raced eachother to the takeout and I have it all to myself........
As fast as some of these new DB racers go, they miss most of the good water..... Every time I run into Brother Chin on the river he's like, "Damn-now I've got to fight you all day for last water." As much as my friends and I drink you'll never find us in the "first water pod of db's"
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#875674 - 12/17/13 04:29 PM
Re: My take on river rules
[Re: yummysalmon]
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ExtenZe Field Tester
Registered: 11/10/09
Posts: 8060
Loc: Vancouver, WA
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Hi everyone, I am new to this forum I glad that I found it. So I'm kind of new to forums but I'm not new to fishing. My grandmother loves steelhead more than I do, bless her soul she is now fishing in another life. I made a movie Smokin' Fish. Some of you have probably seen it on PBS playing lately. Anyways, when I was making the movie in my village, Kluckwan, Alaska and fishing on the River this forum reminded me of the first 10 minutes of my film. Fishing etiquette was always something I regarded as sacred. You never take another man's spot, and you never use another man's equipment without written notarized permission. During quite possibly the most beautiful fishing scene on the River overlooking my village using a sockeye net shortened and modified for the River and for subsistence fishing I nearly got shot. Schmitdy Junior and other relatives and friends were having a couple morning beers and of course all we could talk about was how many fish with caught and how we were smoking them. We were in my relative's trailer, Tiger, a bad ass veteran from Vietnam all rambling on about fishing. Schmidty Jr said my friend Luke and I could could fish his net and was probably already full of sockeye. If it wasn't there then we could just go ahead and put our net there and catch what we needed as this was a hot spot. This was right after we were talking about how Luke and I were not catching much fish. He told me not to argue enter going down to the river and pick his net. Note mistake number one: we do not get it in writing. Note mistake number two: this written document was also not notarized. Luke and I went down to the river got in our canoe and hand-lined across the Chilkat River and had lined it all the way up to the net. We got out our fancy camera, HD cam, second-generation, and started filming amazing footage of my village from across the River. I'm not trying to sell you anything but if you didn't get a chance to see it on PBS we have a trailer of it here, this way you can see what I'm talking about: Smoin' Fish Movie. Anyways we were filming having coffee and enjoying the scenery. Their net was not there so we put our net there. Not long after that, maybe one minute Sr. was on the scene with another person driving the boat. The first thing I heard was F##k YOU! I'm not sure if I ever heard such terrible obscenities in my life. I thought I was most certainly going to get shot. This is a man I have no nearly my entire life. Not only was I shaking in my rubber boots but I was in fear that my life was about to end. I tried explaining to him, almost at the top of my lungs, due to the noise of the outboard engine that his son said we could fish there for a few hours. This was mistake number three. Never trust the son after a few beers especially in the morning. Luke and I quickly packed up our gear and headed down the river thankfully without getting shot. I was pretty pissed off and walked up to Tiger's house. I told him what it happened and his son laughed at me and said oh yeah I forgot to tell my dad and then laughed some more and offered me a beer. That seemed to call me down a bit before I went back out fishing. I never did go fishing in that spot again. Cory Mann / Gutchquena Welcome to forum. Looks like an interesting movie and well done. Beware that you jumped into a thread that was spawned from another recent thread about a low-holing "guide". Some of the banter is not friendly.
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#875681 - 12/17/13 04:54 PM
Re: My take on river rules
[Re: Brewer]
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Poodle Smolt
Registered: 05/03/01
Posts: 10979
Loc: McCleary, WA
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Thanks Cory. Appreciated the input and the movie.
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#875693 - 12/17/13 05:21 PM
Re: My take on river rules
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River Nutrients
Registered: 05/27/00
Posts: 2558
Loc: Stumpy Acres
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Sorry I thought it was an Offdahook thing. Idiot!! Cory 2many
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#875705 - 12/17/13 06:24 PM
Re: My take on river rules
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Returning Adult
Registered: 08/21/13
Posts: 389
Loc: Tri-Cities, WA
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#875727 - 12/17/13 07:47 PM
Re: My take on river rules
[Re: Swifty27]
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Spawner
Registered: 03/07/12
Posts: 806
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What happened to "don't hate on nate"?
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#875732 - 12/17/13 08:29 PM
Re: My take on river rules
[Re: Dogfish]
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sneaker
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just got back to from the river, a little story about rules, etiquette, and the BS that is throughout this state...
we were up high, then decided to drop low and talked to a guy i know before leaving, all was cool it seemed...
it wasnt...
while we were gone, a guy in a jet sled brought his boat, and his 2 very young daughters with him to go fishing, the spot he launched in, is a heavily bank fished spot, DB's, toons, and everything else always drop in and leave the area to the bank guys.... theres better water down river anyways...
so the sled guy launches, and goes up river a few yards, and appearently, the this one diptard didnt like him being there, and went basically right across from him, and cast his crap into/towards the boat....
his weight ended up hitting the 4 year old in the head... the father grabbed his pistol and said he would put a bullet in his head, other dude blah blah blah, goes back to his truck to grab his gun, but ended up leaving, talkin sh!t the whole way....
police were called, thankfully noone else was hurt, although, i wouldnt have minded if the guy would have beat the other guy up, matter of fact, if i were there, i would have done it for him, because im sick of the dudes crap anyways....
the truth is, you dont "own" the river, as the person said that started all this stuff on here, BUT, just as you are camping, you dont "own" the campsite, so you arent going to just go into someone elses site and start pitching your tent... so you shouldnt go into someone elses water if they were there first, and start fishing, unless you ASK them if its alright... its called being respectful of your fellow anglers that spend just as much money and time, and in alot of cases, way more money than you do, to do the same thing... respect that...
if you are out there reading sir, im sorry that your daughter got hit, the guy can be a prick sometimes... i wasnt there, i didnt see what started it, or what ended it, but one things for certian, we dont need this crap on our rivers...
they are already screwed up enough...
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#875736 - 12/17/13 08:59 PM
Re: My take on river rules
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Spawner
Registered: 03/07/12
Posts: 806
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I forgot what guns are for, thanks for the reminder.
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