#919698 - 01/21/15 10:33 AM
Re: Im done.......Just not like it use to be..........
[Re: superfly]
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 12/24/01
Posts: 1877
Loc: Kingston, WA
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Joe, wishing you more joy in life and in fishing. We have much to be thankful for, friend. Peace.
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#919809 - 01/21/15 07:32 PM
Re: Im done.......Just not like it use to be..........
[Re: dwatkins]
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Returning Adult
Registered: 03/27/05
Posts: 381
Loc: Snohomish
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hey fly, if you end up guiding in Florida I would book you in a second. You mean instead of booking the old school guides who learned that fishery through years of hard work? A little ironic considering the genesis of this thread. -S
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#919813 - 01/21/15 07:54 PM
Re: Im done.......Just not like it use to be..........
[Re: superfly]
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Shooting Instructor for hire
Registered: 10/26/10
Posts: 7204
Loc: Snohomish, WA
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Joe - unfortunately, 305 is closed for business and they are NOT giving out any more guide licenses down there. You think the comp is tough up here with stickered sleds and jacked trucks? Try spending $500 - 750K on a 42" Yellowfin or Contender. It's literally Nascar on the water and if you don't have the cash to buy the horsepower, you can't compete. Period. Add in another $750K for a small chitty house and another $150K annual for your slip. You have to be a millionaire or have major financial backing to run those waters. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. I have the contacts if you still want to explore - happy to help out....but....they are gonna tell you the same thing.
If you really want to branch out into B.W. guiding, check out the lower Leeward and Windward islands (St. Vincent & the Grenadines). There is zero comp down there and you are right off the largest blue / black / white marlin spawning grounds in the world. If I had the means, that's what I would be doing right now.
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#919814 - 01/21/15 07:57 PM
Re: Im done.......Just not like it use to be..........
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Shooting Instructor for hire
Registered: 10/26/10
Posts: 7204
Loc: Snohomish, WA
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Dibs on your boat ManBearPig...... Jeezus Luis - his body isn't even cold yet and you are trying to slide right in. That being said, dibs on the front right seat.
Edited by NickD90 (01/21/15 08:00 PM)
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#919818 - 01/21/15 08:40 PM
Re: Im done.......Just not like it use to be..........
[Re: superfly]
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Skytucky Redneck
Registered: 03/17/07
Posts: 1354
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Fvck it, couple Mai Tai's and he could be convinced to sign anything......
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#919821 - 01/21/15 09:42 PM
Re: Im done.......Just not like it use to be..........
[Re: superfly]
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Registered: 03/27/08
Posts: 1028
Loc: Snoqualmie WA/Cordova AK
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When I first started fishing, the rivers on the Coast seemed so wild, so remote, and so foreign that it drew me in. I spent every spare dollar on gas to head out to fish Joe's rivers. Regardless of whether it was the Queets or Nooch or Hump or others, and regardless of whether the river was desolate or packed with boats, I always looked up to those diehards that spent the vast majority of their life on the river. These guys were the pioneers before me. Some were quiet, some were loud, some were professional, some were renegades.
Fact of the matter is, that today, the old school guys fish hard and do what they do, they keep on trucking, and many of the new school guys shamelessly flaunt themselves on social media to gain street cred. and to drum up whatever business they can. And today, that's what it takes to build a guide business quickly, even if it means selling out a little. I love sharing pics myself, but I also limit my network to family and close friends, not just any one that friends me with a fish in their profile pic.
Every guide has a following, and I think that there is so much noise on the internet that it is easy to feel like the younger and louder guides are more successful, but it's all noise.
I have a lot of respect for you, even though sometimes you say some pretty retarded stuff, I always have enjoyed fishing around you and watching your public service announcements, you mean well!!
So JOE SUPERFISKY, keep putting your heart into it, you've got a big one, keep putting limits in the boat, keep it professional, make those phone calls to your regulars, and don't give up. There will always be haters, there will always be someone new on the river that thinks they are the sh!t, but they won't last and they shouldn't steer you away from your livelyhood that you've spent 30 years doing what you love.
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#919826 - 01/21/15 10:21 PM
Re: Im done.......Just not like it use to be..........
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I'm Idaho!
Registered: 08/15/14
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hey fly, if you end up guiding in Florida I would book you in a second. You mean instead of booking the old school guides who learned that fishery through years of hard work? A little ironic considering the genesis of this thread. -S nah I just like catching fish and some guides can catch them some cannot. If Phil Stevens moved anywhere else I would book him too.
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#919833 - 01/22/15 08:52 AM
Re: Im done.......Just not like it use to be..........
[Re: superfly]
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 12/06/07
Posts: 1355
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I gave it up years ago. Tough to go from seeing few boats a day with double digit hookups 20 yrs ago. To today, a race before daylight for first water, and a boat or bankie in almost every hole and maybe a take or two if your lucky. Still some soiltude available but the numbers are'nt there any more. It's like going from prime rib most of your life to a sirloin. For the youngins who hit it hard these days, cudos! You'll never know or understand how good it was compared to how bad it is today. Sad situation indeed. I 100% understand Flys move and hope one day for a limited entry guide system. Best of luck!
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#919867 - 01/22/15 02:23 PM
Re: Im done.......Just not like it use to be..........
[Re: superfly]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 04/25/00
Posts: 4977
Loc: East of Aberdeen, West of Mont...
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Just got home from a Wynoochee lookie lou.....A Thursday, thought I had f'ucked up, got wrong day....Twin Bridges, to Black Ck., to Cross Over Bridge, to White Bridge.....
EVERY WHERE, lot's of drift boats and jet boat trailers.....well no jetters at cross over. 1 guide was leaving White Bridge....something mumbled about "some kind of zoo"...
Amount of driftboat trailers at White Bridge tells me either 7400 Line must be allowing put in, or some private property is allowing access.
Can't wait for the weekend for another Zoo, like its been.
Be safe!!!!!!!
Thinking "turn around" guys are making big bucks!!!!
Edited by DrifterWA (01/22/15 02:25 PM)
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#919890 - 01/22/15 06:19 PM
Re: Im done.......Just not like it use to be..........
[Re: superfly]
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Returning Adult
Registered: 04/17/02
Posts: 474
Loc: Spawn Ranch
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I have an old "Fishing Holes" map book from 1975 for coastal streams. In the accompanying article the author Terry Rudnick (sp?) mentions that the 'Nooche was an overlooked/underfished stream.
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#919895 - 01/22/15 06:45 PM
Re: Im done.......Just not like it use to be..........
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 3426
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I have an old "Fishing Holes" map book from 1975 for coastal streams. In the accompanying article the author Terry Rudnick (sp?) mentions that the 'Nooche was an overlooked/underfished stream. And with good reason. That was only a few years after completion of Wynoochee Dam and hatchery mitigation hadn't started in earnest yet, winter or summer. I recall a low number winter run return of something like 14 fish to the fish collection facility one year…..or something close to that. Wild fish for the most part.
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#919909 - 01/22/15 07:48 PM
Re: Im done.......Just not like it use to be..........
[Re: superfly]
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The Renegade White Man
Registered: 02/16/00
Posts: 2349
Loc: The Coast or the Keys !!!
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I am trying to get the 7400 deal sowed up so I can legally turn all of you around who want to fish up there........... As for Florida, I am a flats / back country guy, not a big money marilyn yellow fin guy.....I leave that to the ultra rich and ultra pros, I am niether.........
Thanks for the love and the props...........and you haters can keep kissing my ass and wish you could catch as many as Me !!!!!
its funny, every year out here the haters get less and less I guess its because of all the people I help every year out here who become successful...........larger then life, maybe at times , but it is life in which I want to live and I have to a point in my life where I dont need the noise anymore so what I decide to do is my business and always has been. When I fish with customers I am as sober as a judge ! When I fish bymyself or my friends I am completely the opposite and I can be because that is MY time.............Haters keep hating....your just wasting your time..... Peace Fly
Edited by superfly (01/22/15 07:49 PM)
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#919966 - 01/23/15 10:46 AM
Re: Im done.......Just not like it use to be..........
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Returning Adult
Registered: 04/17/02
Posts: 474
Loc: Spawn Ranch
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Eric- I seem to remeber that the 'nooche closed in mid-January when I first started fishing there as a kid in the mid-80s. It must have been to rehab the native run.
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#919998 - 01/23/15 02:00 PM
Re: Im done.......Just not like it use to be..........
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River Nutrients
Registered: 04/25/00
Posts: 4977
Loc: East of Aberdeen, West of Mont...
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milkBottleMikey:
I also remember a early closure....and it was because Natives/wild steelhead were not returning in the numbers needed to keep the run going.
I also remember the late 60's where the Humptulips, the Satsop, and the Wynoochee were open until the end of April. Teaching was my profession, so I had spring vacation to fish those rivers....many days, wouldn't see another fisherman, even with the gear I had and my lack of experience, big fish tested me and my gear...... 18 - 25 pound wild steelhead were fairly common...... 26 - 30# were caught...really...
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#920160 - 01/24/15 10:22 AM
Re: Im done.......Just not like it use to be..........
[Re: superfly]
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Spawner
Registered: 03/21/06
Posts: 684
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What boats, stop get breakfast, launch at 8:30-9 and the race is going on half way down river, the water has settled, the easy fish got picked, now the fun begins. And I rarely see many, if any. It is what you make of it. It's all good.
Joe ya gotta do what your heart tells ya, let us know if you get and decide to tun around 7400.
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#920186 - 01/24/15 01:15 PM
Re: Im done.......Just not like it use to be..........
[Re: Met'lheadMatt]
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Returning Adult
Registered: 01/26/09
Posts: 358
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its really a strange phenom that things change, populations increase and business dynamics shift. Joe for all the smoke you blow, its obvious you have a great heart but half a brain. I know several young guides who have come up the past couple years and are booked solid and catch fish. It just shows the cream rises to the top. Good luck.
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#920189 - 01/24/15 01:21 PM
Re: Im done.......Just not like it use to be..........
[Re: DrifterWA]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 10/22/09
Posts: 3014
Loc: University Place and Whidbey I...
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milkBottleMikey:
I also remember a early closure....and it was because Natives/wild steelhead were not returning in the numbers needed to keep the run going.
I also remember the late 60's where the Humptulips, the Satsop, and the Wynoochee were open until the end of April. Teaching was my profession, so I had spring vacation to fish those rivers....many days, wouldn't see another fisherman, even with the gear I had and my lack of experience, big fish tested me and my gear...... 18 - 25 pound wild steelhead were fairly common...... 26 - 30# were caught...really... Now you've really made me feel like one of those old codgers with stories about "how it used to be.....". Pox on you!! Seriously, that spring fishery was great - light jacket in the morning and shirt sleeves later plus long days to make the best of a float. I'd add the Nisqually to that list.
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#920324 - 01/25/15 10:01 PM
Re: Im done.......Just not like it use to be..........
[Re: superfly]
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 01/05/08
Posts: 124
Loc: Puyallup, WA
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I think you need to relook at your business plan and strategy at your current guide business. I am suggesting you have been at this for a long time and you might consider some other approaches to fill your boat.
Those younger guides are like you said... Craigslist, FB on multiple sites, tweeting current stats and efforts. I think with your expertise and your results you could kill it with the right strategy.
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