If the montlake cut from shilshole to lk. union, and from lk. union to lk. washington, and the locks themselves were all constructed by the U.S. army corps of engineers, how can that translate into"usual and accustomed fishing areas in Boldt treaty?

Dano, it does not make sense here and now as when i posted the same on another thread.
Most of these fish did not live before the 30's and 40's in these water's. Yes, there was a sockeye run in the cedar before it was diverted into Lk Washington. But these fish do nto if any amde it through the revised system.
So as i said then i say again, how can these fish be taken as native fish, when almost the whole fishier is from hatcheries put up by the feds and the state. The whole fishier?
Unbelieveable as it sounds, these fish do not belong to the Boldt decision which covers: NORMAL AND ACCUSTOMED PLACES AND NORMAL AND ACCUSTOMEd WAY'S, by a big long shot. That is the letter of the boldt decision, which no matter i feel or think will not change, but this is outside that scope of possiblities and availabilites.

elmtree (woody)

elmtree you say that the sockeye mainily come from hatchery stock correct me if i'm wrong but it was my understanding sockeye mainly spon in lakes

Doug,
No, sockeye don't normally spawn in lakes. Sockeye can spawn on gravelly lake beaches, but only in areas where a constant source of fresh (surface or spring) water percolates through that gravel, and you can imagine how rare that circumstance is. That said, there are a couple of Lake Washington beaches where sockeye do successfully spawn. The vast majority of sockeye spawn in rivers and streams (as most of the Lake Washington sockeye spawn in the Cedar River). Large runs of sockeye only occur in river systems that have lakes in them, though many rivers have small populations of so-called "creek sockeye". The lakes are necessary because the typical life cycle of the sockeye seems to require that the newly-hatched fry swim up or down to, and live in the lake for one to two years before migrating to the ocean.

Elm Tree, My understanding, is that the original outlet stream for lk. wash., was the Black River, that used to flow out of the lake near MLK Way. Also that the montlake cut/ballard locks outlet is man-engineered. Again how can that be usual and accustomed fishing grounds???

Dano, listen to me.
We agree on the state of origin of these fish.
They are not native to these waters and have not been part of the hertiage of the indain nations.
These fish should not have a net season by american native's.
That is what is stated in the Boldt Decision.
That is what should be cancelled by the fed's and the state.

elmtree (woody)

I've been away fishing. I was wrong on that one. The Penninsula is the normal range of Elk who were nearly hunted to extinction which was one of the reasons for the Park and of course the "roosevelt" designation. maybe a better term would have been re-introduced.